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Air Superiority fighter needs a serious buff

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NZrankWetapunga
5 months ago
I've been playing around with the air factory lately, and the issue i'm finding with the Raptor is that it's absolutely awful at air superiority.

The main cause of this seems to be because of it's relatively short range and low damage rapid fire lasers, when engaging a slow target like a gunship it doesn't do boom-and-zoom gun runs, rather it slows right down and practically hugs the target at stall speed plinking away at it, this makes it vulnerable to just about anything that can fire at air, like gunships. It's rather frustrating to see an anti-structure gunship regularly splash air superiority fighters with an unguided missile barrage.

In my opinion the Raptor would be much more reasonable if it was armed with a guided missile weapon, about equivalent to the Chainsaw in range. And making the Raptor's default behavior being to stay fast and high, avoiding close range combat.


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CHrankAdminDeinFreund
5 months ago
(edited 5 months ago)

I think it's simply not meant to be the supreme air unit. Instead there exists a rather complex counterplay between different air units. Against gunships you'll often be better off building Swifts or even Raven and Licho.

The Hawk is optimally used against fast and fragile units. It might not be able to chase them down, but if it intercepts them, its lasers are guaranteed to hit and kill instantly. Its prey thus mostly consists of bombers, Swifts and Locusts.

Having a supreme fighter unit would otherwise make air vs air engagements rather boring.
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DErankBrackman
5 months ago
The real point is that Swift is just better in most cases.
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USrankkaen
5 months ago
(edited 5 months ago)

Swift is definitely better with d-boost micro and abuse of the AA missile.

I genuinely don't know when I would build them. If I'm trying to defend something light and fast that flies I think I'd make Pickets or land fac aa.
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CHrankAdminDeinFreund
5 months ago
In small quantities, Swift can outmaneuver them, but in big quantities there's nothing quite as good as the Hawk. I especially like them in FFA when it comes to shooting down enemy scouts before they can scout you.
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DErankTopkack
5 months ago
early game, one to finish off stuff while your swifts reload/zoom by the harpies

mid game against swifts

late game wall of aa


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interceptor_aircraft

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_superiority_fighter
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AUrankAdminSaktoth
5 months ago
(edited 5 months ago)

The Raptor has almost twice the hitpoints of the Swift. It's meant to brawl with other air units like gunships and survive over enemy AA. It slowing down actually allows it to spend more time following and tracking the target. Swifts dissolve when facing a Rapier/Trident ball, or to late game AA like Chainsaws.

It is a little bit weak when you consider the other strengths of the swift, the boost makes it great for scouting, escaping, or quickly responding to enemy bombers or penetrating raider groups. I tend to rely on swifts and if I really need air control, build ground AA rather than Raptors. Though sometimes, when it's hard to get a strong enough concentration of static AA to respond to a constantly moving Rapier/Trident or Nimbus ball, Raptors are an option.

It could be stronger, but I wouldn't want it to be the final word in anti-air.
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ZArankAstran
5 months ago
This is from a player that doesn't play much air, so take it with a pinch of salt:

Raptor has never really impressed me.

The Swift's multirole ability allows an air player to finish off raiders that slip through to rear areas and units that are escaping that are just about dead. Even as an air-to-air unit, it's a bit ho-hum. Good luck in engaging Nimbus with Raptor for example. I can't count the times my Nimbus have turned ambitious Raptors into coleslaw with their superior range and hp. When you add the Swift's afterburner function that allow it to scout unmolested, there's few scenarios that Raptor is worth bulding in.

Maybe Raptor needs a conditional buff, such as a limited amount of effective long-range AA missiles that it can use before it needs to return to base to restock. It could cost an extra 50 more metal to compensate. Or else give it a shield so that it can engage gunships without being blasted from the sky. Or, maybe a limited stealth mode to protect it from long range AA fire.

It's underwhelming imho, as it is.
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JPrankgajop
5 months ago
It could be changed, but I'd hate it to lose its rapid fire in favor of an alpha.
Maybe it should get a slow sidearm or just have its hp and DPS further buffed, but it should remain slow and with no alpha.
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EErankAdminAnarchid
5 months ago
Hawks could stand to be able fo fight Nimbus efficiently.
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PLrankzenfur
5 months ago
Make it shoot with heavy lasers burst and fly by as well?

Or give it D-Gun which makes it invisible for ~4 seconds also allowing to shoot like Phantom.

Or name it "Air inferiority trap".

Choose your pick :)
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RUrankFirepluk
5 months ago
(edited 5 months ago)

quote:
Hawks could stand to be able fo fight Nimbus efficiently.

Hawk is a food for LLT, Defender, DDM and pretty much every ground unit
so no, thx...

I've seen a pack of hawks die to bunch of glaives... :D
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RUrankivand
5 months ago
A few days ago I'd say that whenever I see Air Superiority fighter and play Gunships I wouldn't even bother building my own AA. Hawks had a tendency to just die by themselves to my porc, land units and even gunships. It was always funny to rip apart engaging Hawks with a few Nimbusses or kill them by focusing fire from a bunch of Locusts or just let them die to Krow lazors.

Multiplayer B522011 2 on Adansonia v4.1 though showed me that they are a bit less benign than I used to think. Still calling them air superiority fighters is slander.
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GBrank[GBC]1v0ry_k1ng
5 months ago
I agree that the air superiority fighter has a confused design (it is bad at its job). It is bad at existing near ground-based AA and can be shot down by brawlers and blackdawns.

I think giving it strong out of combat regen would be a good start; that would make it better at existing near frontlines where AA can take potshots and make attrition from hit and run swifts less effective.
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USrankRandomX
5 months ago
The air "inferiority" fighter would have been a little more effective, too, if it could fire backwards. The moment it overshoots the enemy (does that often with gunships), it's a sitting duck until it manages to circle back.
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SErankMackeroni
5 months ago
Giving it (toggleable) Radar Stealth is a good idea to base the fighter around. Swifts can avoid AA temporarily, but any long-range chainsaws practically deny them an area for anything other than a single shot with their AA missile.

Radar Stealth is actually an excellent idea.
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PTrankraaar
5 months ago
they're often used with patrolling owl, which provide radar jammer.

me and others had suggested for raptor
- remove the slowdown behavior when chasing and firing
- fly higher
- deal bursty damage (400 dmg burst with 4s cooldown instead of constant 100 dps)

that could be compensated by small nerfs in range and/or movement speed



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