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Just because someone isn't doing every single thing YOU want them to do doesn't mean you kick them. They do this all the fuck the time. NO ONE PLAYING THIS GAME IS YOUR BITCH. Just because you win trade for your ELO doesn't make you dictators on how people must play, especially when you do the exact same shit you kick people for like only dropping a factory and making nothing but BB's or a nuke (Firepluk) who then proceed to use clan numbers to kick someone for doing it the next game. Mods needs to step up and start punishing for abusing clan numbers to kick people.
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I've never -kicked- you USrankHellaciouss
I merely started a -democratic- vote -once- 10 seconds before we resigned and u've been kicked by majority of our team who voted yes.

Maybe next time try to -behave- not like a total pile of dust?...
i.e. try to -help- your team in a meaningful way or -resign- if u refuse to, yet better - don't join team game if u don't intend to contribute

[Spoiler]
+5 / -3
3 months ago
shit is getting hilarious
+0 / -3
>I've never -kicked- you USrankHellaciouss I merely started a -democratic- vote -once- 10 seconds before we resigned and u've been kicked by majority of our team who voted yes.

You do kick, all the time, with your clan. When you have 4-5 members in one game it only takes maybe 1 or 2 other people to vote. You abuse your number all the time and others have complained as well. Your entire clan is full of nothing but assholes.

>Maybe next time try to -behave- not like a total pile of dust?...

1) I literally didn't type a single word that game. I spent for the first 10 minutes making tridents and then started anti nuke and built some defenses around it to protect from widow bomb.
2) Kicking someone for playing bad is not a valid reason to kick.


>i.e. try to -help- your team in a meaningful way or -resign- if u refuse to, yet better - don't join team game if u don't intend to contribute

It's no one elses job to please you, you selfish asshole. No one plays this game to be your little slave. What was that other game we just played where you did nothing but drop a fact then proceed to do absolutely nothing but build BB's, then resigned the instant one died while calling everyone else noobs? And you do that CONSTANTLY. There are numerous others that are done with your bullshit abuse of your clans numbers and your asshole attitude.

You also just admitted that you kicked someone for poor play, which again, is NOT a valid reason to kick someone.

Edit: and look, just in time, one other your other a-hole friends

+3 / -2
3 months ago
+1 / -3
This is still under discussion by the admin team.

That being said, allowing a clique [?] to regularly determine who does and does not get to play in the teams room, especially the "All Welcome" autohost, does not line up well with the goal of "making ZK fun and popular". I urge everybody to conduct themselves with that in mind.

edit: For the record the relevant replay is Multiplayer B704065 17 on Otago 1.1.
+8 / -0
@Aquamin

Yeah, and then 2 or so games later, look what Fire does, plops a fac down and then starts building berthas and complains when they die. They (TMNL) literally do the exact same thing they kick for.

So it makes this little quote from fire's edit
>all game he was making anti nuke right from start and then a wall of LLT around it(like 50) while all our fronts were collapsing due to lack of front players...

All the more hilarious cause he does it ALL THE TIME and then just resigns after bitching at everyone.

And any game I start with a gunship fac were snoke is game I'm basically forced to make tridents or risk getting kicked so that he can do what he wants with air.

I'm pretty sure most people play this game to have fun, not get bitched out and kicked out of games by elo traders in a clan.
+0 / -1
Rushing Berthas is a little bit better for the team than rushing an Antinuke at a point in time of the game when the opponent is very unlikely to have a Nuke, and building a solid wall of Lotuses offers no meaningful advantage over building a somewhat spaced-out net of them (and is considerably more expensive).

That being said, I don't disagree that RUrankFirepluk (among others) has done plenty of things in their career which were utterly useless for their team, and that this kick is blatantly hypocritical. Furthermore the kick was preceded by verbal abuse.

I think that everybody on your team (including yourself) will have more fun if you make some tridents when the enemy has an air player.
+2 / -0
I will also comment that when you use the kick powers (either through a poll or as room host), you are borrowing the powers of the administrators.

As such, when you see a need to use these powers, you should conduct yourself in a way consistent with how an administrator should behave when exercising administrator powers.

Do not bring in personal grudges. Do not insult anybody. Be above reproach.
+8 / -0
Once in a while I play seriously(more or less) using conventional tactics and in most of those games I get fucked by my own team and not due to the fact that they were new players and didn't know better but due to their intention to troll their own team doing things they knew are BAD.
Such games excel at one thing - teach a habit of -never- -ever- investing in a cluster-fuck game, i.e. only sub-optimal plays for own amusement without crossing a border-line to trolling and being total uncooperative jerk who ignores everything around.

So yea, I gotta agree with AUrankAdminAquanim - I was just mad.
If a punishment is in place - go ahead... might be time to switch attention to something else ^^
+1 / -1
3 months ago
Time to air some dirty laundry: Personally I'm not a fan of Firepluk's "rush a nux" strategy because that's a nub strategy that he's gambling on when I know for a fact that he's a damn good player and that he'd be far, far more useful on the frontline. There's lots of games that we lost that I feel we could have won if he'd just fought normally.

But: there's also the other side of the coin to consider.

It may be a nub strategy but Firepluk is actually trying to win with it, and to give him his due, there's nobody that plays the nux game better than him (except maybe Izirayd). It may be an unwise strategy but there's *an intent to win.*

I can also point out that Hellaciouss has more than once engaged in completely useless tactics that serve no purpose other than to annoy his team. One game I was in I saw him build a long line of fusions side by side at the back. He explicitly did this because the game before that JoseLuisguy55 did it and sunk his team. So now Hellaciouss decided he was going to have "revenge" on a DIFFERENT team by doing the same shit. He did it and of course somebody Bertha'd the line and killed 15000 worth of metal in one shot. Like we said would happen. At least o_o was happy, having crewed the Bertha.

If players insist on trolling play and doing utterly useless shit game after game then it's right that they be kicked.

Hellaciouss is a decent player (when he wants to be) and HE KNOWS BETTER.

I think he's trying to stir drama unnessecarily.
+8 / -0
3 months ago
No need to blame the whole clan when you have a conflict with several people from the clan
+5 / -0
3 months ago
Resign!
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RUrankFirepluk

>Once in a while I play seriously(more or less) using conventional tactics and in most of those games I get fucked by my own team and not due to the fact that they were new players and didn't know better but due to their intention to troll their own team doing things they knew are BAD.

Yet you initiated a vote to kick me for doing the exact same thing, trying different strategies, like line dropping snitches with gunship transports, which btw way, I had the top amount killed till you and your clan kicked me for "being useless" and not playing how YOU wanted me to play.

SEVERAL times people pinged with "Nice!" when I line dropped and killed a huge clump of units, but of course that didn't matter, cause it's not what YOU guys thought I should be doing.

>Such games excel at one thing - teach a habit of -never- -ever- investing in a cluster-fuck game

Then maybe it's YOU who shouldn't be playing large team games if that's all they are to you. You continue to completely admit that you do completely dumb stuff cause you feel the game isn't worth doing much in, all the while bitching that other people are having fun with their own strategies and trying new stuff.

>If a punishment is in place - go ahead... might be time to switch attention to something else ^^

Yeah, you do need a break from the game, and most of the rest of your clan, cause they vote lock step with you and are a-holes as well, especially snoke, cause then maybe other people might be able to oh, I don't know, actually have fun playing the game and not have to worry about being kicked for not reaching your/snokes demands.



ZArankAstran

>Time to air some dirty laundry: Personally I'm not a fan of Firepluk's "rush a nux" strategy because that's a nub strategy that he's gambling on when I know for a fact that he's a damn good player and that he'd be far, far more useful on the frontline. There's lots of games that we lost that I feel we could have won if he'd just fought normally.

yeah, and that's part of the point. When someone ELSE wants to do the exact same thing he did the previous game there is a good chance they will get kicked, and since he has 4-5 clan mates in the game it only takes 1-2 others to kick a lot of times.

And it's funny that he AND you admit that he rushes nukes sometimes, yet OH LORD if someone rushes an ANTI NUKE within first ten minutes (when you KNOW someone on the other team loves rushing nukes) and defends it with an impenetrable box of LLT's so a widow (which he LOVES to use to disabled antis) cant get in! KICK! I started with a gunship fac, which unit, pray tell, can i use to form an impenetrable wall around the anti that a widow can't get past? I have seen people maneuver widows through what looks like even the most well defended ANTI's and stun it before dying. I've seen widows get through spaced out LLT's. You know what it CAN'T get through? A solid wall of LLT's 3 spaces out which doesn't give it enough range to hit the anti outside the wall of llt's. Excessive? Possibly. Will it prevent a widow from getting in to stun it? Absolutely.

>I can also point out that Hellaciouss has more than once engaged in completely useless tactics that serve no purpose other than to annoy his team.

Building nothing but eco's helps the team, probably more then building a bertha on the front line and watching it die before it's built then resigning. I would literally rather have jose on my team then firepluk when he does that crap.

>One game I was in I saw him build a long line of fusions side by side at the back. He explicitly did this because the game before that JoseLuisguy55 did it and sunk his team. So now Hellaciouss decided he was going to have "revenge" on a DIFFERENT team by doing the same shit. He did it and of course somebody Bertha'd the line and killed 15000 worth of metal in one shot. Like we said would happen. At least o_o was happy, having crewed the Bertha.

I did that because I asked him to help with units and was basically told to STFU by other players and that it was a viable strategy.

But when I do it next game suddenly it's kick worthy?

Again, nothing but double standards.

>Hellaciouss is a decent player (when he wants to be) and HE KNOWS BETTER.

Yeah, I consider myself an ok player, but the quickest way to me doing my own thing is the blatant double standards and vicious hypocrisy leading to kicks coming from OTHER players who damn well should know better.

>I think he's trying to stir drama unnessecarily.

Drawing attention to the fact that numerous TMNL players (not all) are abusing the kick function out of pure spite/hypocrisy isn't "stirring drama unnecessarily", especially when NO ONE seems to be doing anything about it or even care.
+1 / -1
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Drawing attention to the fact that numerous TMNL players (not all) are abusing the kick function out of pure spite/hypocrisy isn't "stirring drama unnecessarily", especially when NO ONE seems to be doing anything about it or even care.

Report it when it happens. I would personally see a kick for

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like line dropping snitches with gunship transports

as being significantly more unreasonable than a kick for antinuke/lotus spam rush, for what that's worth.

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I did that because I asked him to help with units and was basically told to STFU by other players and that it was a viable strategy.

But when I do it next game suddenly it's kick worthy?

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Yeah, I consider myself an ok player, but the quickest way to me doing my own thing is the blatant double standards and vicious hypocrisy leading to kicks coming from OTHER players who damn well should know better.


Retaliation and escalation is unlikely to lead to a desirable ending to this dispute.
+3 / -0
AUrankAdminAquanim

I just want to play and have fun and not have to worry about being kicked constantly by a certain people in a large clan for not following their orders or playing the way they want me to or trying new things in a public teams game that is meant to be fun.

And I've seen nukes within the first 10-15 minutes of games, especially from certain players, so why would an anti nuke in first 10 minutes even remotely be a kick-able offense?

And how would you, specifically, with a gun ship fac, create an impenetrable wall around an anti so that a widow had exactly 0% chance of getting in to stun it? Keep in mind, it has to be a 0% chance of the widow possibly getting in, because that's exactly what a box of LLT's with no spaces does. I'm interested in knowing, because I've seen too many instances where even llt's spaced 1 apart has allowed a widow to get in and stun before dying. I've even seen them slip through flee circles quick enough to hit the anti before dying, which btw, you don't have, since you started with gunships. What about vs 2-3 widows like some people do? If the anti is scouted and has a box of LT's with space between them people can make an educated guess on how many they'd need to send to get a stun off before they all die. This is an honest question.
+0 / -1
Spoilering some tactical comments because I think they're a little off-topic.
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+1 / -0
>My preferred solution would be to ask my teammate to send 20 fleas on circle guard. Not everything must be done by one player alone.

It's one tactic, yes, but I've seen instances where 3-4 widows easy penetrate a flee circle and stun before dying, and you're also relying on someone else (if they don't gift the flees) to be watching that flee line 24/7 and reacting instantly the moment the widows get uncloaked to kill them fast enough

I still only see a complete box that completely blocks all possible pathing as being the only 100% guarenteed way of preventing widow bomb stuns.

I could have just built the llt's to 5% each to block pathing, sure, but that seems very super cheese and a single scythe with the widow would get in very quickly.



As far as the game in question, I had a line of tridents up and was about to start building Nimbus's, but was kicked.
+0 / -1
What I'm trying to say is that trying to "100% guarantee" against Widow at the cost of a lot of metal actually decreases your chances of winning the game as a whole, especially in a game where you have not confirmed the existence of an enemy nuke.

(It also decreases your chances of preventing Shockley.)

If you really want to ring your antinuke with buildings, Solars seem like the obvious choice. Less good against Scythes but at least they're doing something the rest of the time.
+3 / -0
I mean yeah, we can go back and forth about strategy and what I predict might happen nd how to defend against it and what you predict might happen all day, but at the end of the day it was indeed an abusive kick, just one of many, and something needs to be done about it, because it happens constantly.

I get that they are long time players, but that doesn't give them the right to act as gate keepers of game play.
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