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3 years ago
Reef feels pretty useless in these days. It have great disarm missile but it costs metal and still need units to be followed after use. Why don't return reef back old long range missile? Why did even it was removed? I understand that antinuke was removed from it but why long range gun? It was in good use when there was need to kill defence on ground or deal woth porc clusters on sea. Shogun can do it also but when you need deal with terraformed behe or defence on very high ground. Shogun is pretty bad because if its innacurracy but ship with high arcin missile could work. Also its not possible mass them because they are not cheap. For 500 metal addition to reef long arcing missile cold be good addition.
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3 years ago
I think reef is fairly good. Just that Siren kills the drones.
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3 years ago
Warlord severely outclasses reef by several orders of magnitude in terms of utility.
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Reef's old Impaler-like missile was removed more for technical reasons than balance ones. Several years ago, the capability to control drones' behaviour by giving fight/attack/etc orders to the drone controller was added to the game. The Reef's weapon was changed from a normal weapon to a manual fire weapon so that one does not have to try to manage both the missiles and the drones with attack orders.

I don't know that the notion of an aircraft carrier has ever really worked in ZK. Perhaps Reef should just be removed and replaced with some other sea strider design.

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Shogun can do it also but when you need deal with terraformed behe or defence on very high ground. Shogun is pretty bad because if its innacurracy but ship with high arcin missile could work.

Siren's missile is explicitly intended and designed to fill this gap. Siren doesn't outrange Behe but at some point Scylla becomes a reasonable option as well.
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3 years ago
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Siren's missile is explicitly intended and designed to fill this gap. Siren doesn't outrange Behe but at some point Scylla becomes a reasonable option as well.



Siren can't be built from strider hub. As reef can't be built from ship factory. But puny 25 dps from siren is viable only in 1 v 1 or vs light defenses. Never saw effective use of them even on open waters. In teams arty niche is filled with envoy. As range for them is only 800 elmo. While reef had 1650 elmo i think.


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the capability to control drones' behaviour by giving fight/attack/etc orders to the drone controller was added to the game. The Reef's weapon was changed from a normal weapon to a manual fire weapon so that one does not have to try to manage both the missiles and the drones with attack orders.


Can't see point at it because reef gun was very large range which extended even drone range if reef was used vs building far away. Against mobile unit it served like option that reef can't become OP because in same time leveling building and mobile units with drones. So i would not to see it as issue. And drones is pretty useless and weak as well. Never saw that reef could use them effectively except when massed in enormous masses but it require at least 5 or more of them which is quite expensive.


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Perhaps Reef should just be removed and replaced with some other sea strider design.


I doubt we have such option with limited development resources. Except is there is some ideas already. It would be enough torework it and add new strider if its possible. I would not be against if serpent returned in game but from strider hub with larger cost.
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