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Title: MM 8310: 1v1, Rank Singularity
Host: Nobody
Game version: Zero-K v1.6.11.3
Engine version: 104.0.1-287-gf7b0fcc
Started: 22 days ago
Duration: 5 minutes
Players: 2
Bots: False
Mission: False
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Team 1
Chance of victory: 79.3%

SErankGodde
Team 2
Chance of victory: 20.7%

GBrank[Fx]Drone
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GBrank[Fx]Drone
22 days ago
here we see the broken unit meta in action: I plop archer lab which would be guaranteed win if he plop glaive lab, but instead he plop moderator lab which can not be countered by amphib so he won

broken unit meta is very fun, I always enjoyed playing rock paper scissors
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SErankGodde
22 days ago
Well you could have tried the other unit in the Grizzly factory.
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GBrank[Fx]Drone
22 days ago
I did queue a grizzly but being forced to concede the whole map to get a 2k unit out made it feel a bit pointless
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AUrankAdminGoogleFrog
22 days ago
Hmm, I wonder how making non-Archer units would have worked out.
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GBrank[Fx]Drone
22 days ago
I cant think of any that would realistically work to prevent me from conceding the whole map in early game amphib vs JJ. What can beat pyro / moderator? Pretty much everything is hard countered by moderator except maybe buoy but those are expensive, slow and inaccurate and not very good in low numbers, would probably get jumped on by pyro.

Grizzly is OP but trying to rush it is a losing move.

Mybe the correct play was to abandon the lab altogether and just spam porc. How much metal does reclaiming a lab give?
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GBrank[Fx]Drone
22 days ago
(edited 22 days ago)

maybe com morph is the solution, too bad I had econ com

rush concussion shell to counter moderator? probably wouldnt work I guess
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CHrankAdminDeinFreund
22 days ago
(edited 22 days ago)

Amph is just too slow for this map. You can't expect to push out of your base unless you hardcounter the enemy factory. The only reason Amph is popular right now is Grizzly, but on this map your Grizzly will be always out of position and Archer alone can't beat everything.
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GBrank[Fx]Drone
22 days ago
A lot of people would have started glaive on this map then I would have been fine, my mistake was forgetting that godde loves JJ. Theres probably plenty of ways to counter JJ since its such a derpy lab. I bet starting rover and making some early wolverine would hard counter moderators and allowed me to push back on goddes com rush porc spam.
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USrankRyMarq
22 days ago
Ducks are very under-rated.

I feel that in many ways Archer being better made people grow more lazy about playing Amph. Sure, moderator is a problem, but they are slow and fragile. To be a real threat, he is committing at least 700m at a location. With a committed ball like that, ducks are free to have small pyro-defeating squads and to harass limiting expansion potential.

As game scales up, both Boey and Grizzly can transition into late-game parity.
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GBrank[Fx]Drone
22 days ago
duck is probably the perfect food for moderator, dont see how it would help at all
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USrankRyMarq
22 days ago
Takes killing 3 ducks for a moderator to make cost.

2 Ducks insta-kill a moderator
3 Ducks instakill a screening pyro.

1 Duck is just shy of the ability to close, shoot, and then shoot again at a reloading moderator. If the moderator isnt kiting ideally, it does have the time.

They arent godlike against them, but they certainly arent bad vs moderators.
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GBrank[Fx]Drone
22 days ago
duck is not an option vs moderator
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GBrankdyth68
22 days ago
USrankRyMarq : Sure, at even metal cost the ducks will rip the moderators to pieces. Hell, even at 2/3rds metal cost they'll probably win.
However, this needs to be an actual mass battle.
You have to decide you're going to mass units, mass them, hope SErankGodde hasn't noticed and made a placeholder or stardust and then charge. Little raids of yours just get picked off with no attrition to the enemy and no chance to run away (unless you're paying attention to that particular raid at that particular moment).

And once you've decided to pick that battle you have to judge that you can win and wholeheartedly commit, you can't back out if things don't go well and if you lose? You've probably lost that game.
Particularly difficult as you have to know how big the force opposing you is, calculate how many ducks you'd need and then decide to battle. Merely knowing what you're facing and where it is means you've won the information war (and probably the game).

Would Ducks have been Drone's best bet here? Yeah. But would they have given Drone a win against those Moderators? Much iffier.
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AUrankAdminAquanim
22 days ago
(edited 22 days ago)

Duck plus judicious use of Pickets and particularly Stingers is the best I can come up with. I am far from confident it is enough.
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