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Title: MM 3974: 1v1, Rank Neutron Star
Host: Nobody
Game version: Zero-K v1.7.11.4
Engine version: 104.0.1-1435-g79d77ca
Started: 59 days ago
Duration: 13 minutes
Players: 2
Bots: False
Mission: False
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Team 1
Chance of victory: 99.1%

CAranknoobula
Team 2
Chance of victory: 0.9%

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44 days ago
Shame
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44 days ago
I'm feeling out of the loop, what's the "shame" meme about?
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CAranknoobula is very displeased with USrankArchangel's adaptation of CircuitAI into user space so tries to ai-shame its every use.
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44 days ago
I'm a supporter of ai rights.
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44 days ago
Don't be evil.
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This is not about crushing lower ranked players, I admit guilt that it is shameful and I should not meddle with them.

The point is, you don't have a say about whether your opponent is AI-assisted.
Most low rank player don't notice anyways.

I support AI rights too, but the human here is in the wrong.
The way it is being used is shameful.

Admins can do whatever suits them, change the code of conduct.
Cause what Archangel is doing is cheating at the moment, and you are ignoring that fact.

Edit2: Ok I read the code of conduct again, sorry, this is actually fine. Lets never talk about this again. Sorry for the spam.
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But it should still be adressed.
I don´t get how you design a competitive (especially symetric) game and then allow asymetry between what technical options via widgets are available to the players.

All widgets that move units around or in general do stuff for you should be implemented into the main game version that you download. This way it´s completely up to you if you use them or not.

I am pretty sure i don´t even know all the available widgets.

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42 days ago
I can't believe this is actually a problem. I've used circuit ai to control my units multiple times and never found it to be a tool that'd help me win challenging games. It's also already available to anyone who has zk installed. I'd be very interested in a demonstration of this.

What's definitely not allowed is to switch circuit on when you want to go afk, or any other ai use that leads to high skill variance (e.g. a pro or newbie sometimes playing with ai and sometimes without). Archangel is on the radar for that.
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42 days ago
I think the technical aspects far outweigh competitiveness for ZK devs.
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42 days ago
Tell me then, how can I use the AI to control all my idle unis?
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41 days ago
Great, make a step by step video so every noob can be an AI now. Just great.
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To be fair, I agree with DErankkatastrophe that such AI widgets should be publicly available (if it's not already) to have an even playing field. Players should be mandated to release any and all widgets that they're using in pvp environment and that can affect game balance, to the public.
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According to the code of conduct Archangel is not a cheater, he is just not nice. As far as I know he have not been nice for months, and so I don't think that would change after he is shamed.

It would be nice if Archangel explains how to add the AI.
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@huixwhatever most of them ARE publicly avalable, but they require manual search and download. I find that a bit.... hm.

CHrankAdminDeinFreund i agree. there is no aspect of the game i think where a good player wouldn´t be way more efficient than an ai (yet). Also, things like fight-command (skirms) are integral to the game. I am less concerned with the use of automation than with the created asymetries as i feel they totally go against the general design of the game.
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katastrofle where could i find all available widgets for zeroK ?

https://springfiles.com/spring/lua-scripts, is there more ?
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41 days ago
guess GitHub.
don`t know. i am too convinced by my skill (e.g. i am too arrogant) to search for crutches.
i specifically began to play this game because i wanted to improve myself. Else i could just play pve-games.

doesn´t mean i despise USrankArchangel or other players who decide otherwise. i am not a prophet of the only way to live.
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41 days ago
I'd love to release it publicly but currently I don't see how anyone would stand to gain from this. Newbies could use ai to boost their rating, breaking balance when they decide they want to actually play by themselves. Experienced players could use ai as a taunt whenever their enemy is too weak to beat ai. As long as ai doesn't actually help you play the game instead of playing it for you what's the point in using it?
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41 days ago
this is what i think as well, but that also means we just delay the actual decision.
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But DeinFreund, you said not so long ago: "It's also already available to anyone who has zk installed."
So how can I use it?

I always say, this is just a game. What could possibly go wrong?...
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