I hate sea even more now.
Because amph has no counter to scallop, the one who has more at the right place just wins.

Manu's point aside, great night of team games. Thanks again

I think the whole problem stems from that there's too few variety of units that can attack the underwater.

So underwater skirmisher since scallop is slow?

Is Duck mobbing not good vs Scallop?

Is that a rhetorical question?

Scallop has 400+ surface dps. For reference, Mace has 297 dps and Jack 300. There isn't an amph, ship or hover unit that WANTS to engage Scallop above water, and because Lobsters exist, keeping Scallops at a distance is a pipe dream.

How making Scallop a mini-strider above water and reducing Lobster price is supposed to make it killable by surface amphs is beyond me tbh.

Huix - Duck fires underwater without surfacing, theoretically can approach a scallop in high numbers and kill it before it can surface.

That comment was something I probably made out of rage because I lost multiple games against Goode + Sparkles yesterday. Probably shouldnt have played my first sea match of the new patch in matchmaker tbh and maybe there are some usable units which I just didnt try. Sry for failing so much Randy.

Solution: Make Archer a counter for Scallop.

Archer countering scallop is stupidly easy, though I am not sure its a good idea. Just make it force units underwater when it fires in the water (a few mechanisms possible, but any would need to be hard-coded to deal with bouyency modes). Scallops now cannot fire, and other riots dont really have to be concerned in the same way.

That said, I don't think that is the solution here. Duck's torp range should be tuned such that they can fight Scallops, but only if the scallop hasn't already floated. The way limpet and amph regen work out, they will still have massive scaling problems, so their raider can be tuned to be a bit stronger in the water when the other options are good.

Boats likewise might benefit from a slightly stronger hunter. Both hunter and duck might want more visible torps - a whiteish trail might help them both a lot visually.

Not as sure on hover though. Its current state is a bit odd in sea, but it frankly loses to scallop the hardest of all, as it cannot force surfacing reliably, and cannot kill them on surface especially efficiently. If we were doing zanny things like having archer force to sink, then perhaps making claymore force out of the water might be right, but I am not sold thats a good solution. Just allowing scalpel's missiles to also act as torps seems most reasonable, even if they could just penetrate 40m of water, that would help a ton for killing amphs that floated then retreated all the time.