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_Shaman admin abuse, speccheating, kick

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7 years ago
_Shaman was spec, mocked my plan to build "the hive" in global chat at start of game.
i said "dont speccheat faggot"
he called a vote to kick me, no one did.
kicks me anyways
+3 / -6
7 years ago
next time you wonder why no one plays this game, the answer is because of the toxic community.
"dont call me faggot" okay, dont call me a lobster, and dont speccheat, and dont abuse your admin authority while spectating by unbalancing the game.
+1 / -6
7 years ago
[10:02 AM] _Shaman actually lobsters make nests
[10:02 AM] _Shaman not hives :P
[10:02 AM] AMPERSAND way to speccheat faggot
[10:03 AM] _Shaman you want a kick for that language?
[10:03 AM] AMPERSAND you want a kick for speccheating?
[10:03 AM] _Shaman i have not speccheated at all.
[10:03 AM] * Nightwatch Poll: do you want to kick AMPERSAND? [!y=1/6, !n=0/6]
[10:03 AM] DeinFreund !kick AMPERSAND
[10:03 AM] clarthur the other team dint get new info
[10:03 AM] AMPERSAND or an award for being a special little snowflake with hurt feelings. dont repeat my team chat in public chat as a spec shaman
[10:04 AM] * Nightwatch Poll: do you want to kick AMPERSAND? [END:FAILED]
[10:04 AM] AMPERSAND i guess i wont go gunships now
[10:04 AM] _Shaman Don't call me a 'faggot'
[10:04 AM] DeinFreund sad i hope you'd kick :(
[10:04 AM] AMPERSAND whatever fag, dont tell the other team my fac
+1 / -5
Skasi
7 years ago
Protip: You can Edit your existing post to add more text to it. That way _Shaman can only downvote you once.

Furthermore: _Shaman is not an admin. If people voted no and he still kicked you, chances are he was a "boss" or in other words the owner of the battle room you were in. Creators of a room have near full power over it. (Note that my knowledge might be outdated.)
+5 / -0
7 years ago
The fuck is "the hive" anyway?
+3 / -0
Skasi
7 years ago
In this case it's a reference to gunship factory. I assume the idea came through "Bumblebee" (Wasp, gunship con) or perhaps just a general insect theme (Gnat). Still, it is indeed quite strange that this term came up.
+3 / -0
Nest:


Hive:


Lobsters do not build hives, they build nests.
+1 / -2
7 years ago
AMPERSAND you are not alone.

Days ago, shaman said, i should stop morph my Commander or he kick me, its her room and he is the boss.
nex game "Xivender this is a warning, you morph your com, i kick you..."

but i have my own playstyle.

Btw developsters:
new room concept is shit.
Old Room Concept was better!
+5 / -0
Why is Shaman doing this?

Is there a motive to these actions or are they just plain "I like troll"?

Unless Ampersand was playing very bad on purpose, there is no reason to kick him out, especially if he likes his play style.
As for Xivender, just do it and report _Shaman if he continues.
Kicking people for morphing their Commander is not an acceptable reason at all, even if the Commander's intention is to be a Trollcom. You might as well kick newbs out for "not playing good".
USrankAMPERSAND , is it possible to provide a replay?

quote:


Do not cheat. Cheating includes using any method that would give you information that is usually obscured by the fog of war. Helper widgets that control your units, sound warnings, place marks etc. are fine. If you make a particularly useful widget it is nice to release it to the community. Zero-K is built on open source and this is one of the ways we receive improvements.

Avoid giving out information while spectating unless you are sure that all participants in the game would not mind. If you resign and begin spectating, leave your former team to play out the remainder of the game without your input. Even innocuous-seeming information can sway a game, so it is best to be cautious. Feel free to discuss the game in spectator chat (hotkey Alt + Enter


Ahem, @_Shaman , I think you may have breached this.

(Don't downvote without giving a response first or I swear I'll be Knorke)
+0 / -5
7 years ago
report is useless... its shamans room and he can do wat he want...
we need official rooms back..
+2 / -0
Skasi
@_Shaman technically a hive is a nest as well. Also technically you linked a picture of a wasp nest, not of a beehive. It even says "nest" in the filename.

DErankXivender to my understanding the idea behind rooms is that they are player controlled. People who want to play in a place without player hosts are meant to use matchmaking. In other words: "Official rooms" are the matchmaking queues.
+2 / -0
quote:
Unless Ampersand was playing very bad on purpose, there is no reason to kick him out, especially if he likes his play style.

You don't even understand why Ampersand was kicked. It had something to do with this line:

quote:
[10:02 AM] AMPERSAND way to speccheat faggot

Please avoid criticising the actions of others until you have at least some understanding of what actually happened.

[Spoiler]

I think talking as a spectator was a bad idea - even if you don't think you're giving anything away, and even if you in fact haven't, the players' efforts to interpret what you said may still affect the game. Kicking for com-morph is also meh (though in some instances understandable). Nevertheless, Ampersand's attitude in this instance was fully deserving of a kick.
+9 / -0
quote:
a mapfeaturer has seen the thread. but he will he act? either way it is too late, the mapfeatureres can react but the trolls act. will not uncook the new lobsters. the system is fail.


This is completely irrelevant and is useless. Knorke, why do you still make smurfs, why don't you just move on and not harras us with random posts?
DErankwho_let_the_lobs_out
They will react.
by banning you again and again😈
+3 / -0

7 years ago
uhm USrankAMPERSAND the title is quite misleading. Several correction as follow


@_Shaman is not and has never been admin IIRC.

CHrankAdminDeinFreund is the one who called for the kick according to chat log.

All player vote on kick poll and result as intended. You were not kicked by malicious Agent.




Only flaw you can call on @_Shaman is alleged spec cheat which, without the actual replay I would not comment on.

personally I disapproved of the word "faggot" USrankAMPERSAND used.

Further note that you can disable Spec chat in room option.

I was led to believe that official room do not allow spec chat but I am unsure on that point, never tested.



TL;DR : this have nothing to do with Devs or even community from my point of view. Just one player disagreed with another player behaviors.

Disclaimer: I am not Devs nor Admin and do not claim to speak on their behalf.





+3 / -0
7 years ago
Dramaâ„¢
+6 / -0
quote:
AMPERSAND you are not alone.

Days ago, shaman said, i should stop morph my Commander or he kick me, its her room and he is the boss.
nex game "Xivender this is a warning, you morph your com, i kick you..."

but i have my own playstyle.


[Spoiler]
The kick threat rose from these lines (as at the time I didn't know you were just joking). Game: http://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/438164


In an effort to avoid this issue again I'll clarify what I feel is kickable:
1.) Verbal abuse.
2.) Heckling (constant) -- I give quite a few warnings here before I kick. Usually 3-5.
3.) playing bad on purpose to lose elo.

I try to do the following to speed up games:
1.) Map after every game to a reasonable map (1st not sea !map OR 1st suggested featured map)
2.) Votes that are hanging with 1 vote left I generally pass then endvote. (I hate it when people don't vote myself/afk during votes and it can be irritating at times)
3.) End !map spam after 4-5 maps.

I feel this policy creates a fast moving environment that gets more games out. Nobody seems to complain and they come back so it seems to me that it's a reasonable policy.

If you feel my moderation is in error, you can bring it up to me in PM. I'm quite reasonable and I listen to complaints and adjust accordingly.

quote:
Why is Shaman doing this?

Is there a motive to these actions or are they just plain "I like troll"?


Simple. I want a host that's semi-moderated and not a chaotic mess of votes and poor behavior. If you have a problem with it, you can message me.
+3 / -0

7 years ago
In any case, calling somebody a "faggot" is a singularly bad way to encourage them to do something you want.
+5 / -0

7 years ago
quote:
"i said "dont speccheat faggot" "whatever fag, dont tell the other team my fac"


Well in this case i didn't see @_Shaman abuse as room administrator from ethic reason. Rude word using is punishable and are not justified. I would do same if i would be room admin and i would no complay if i would be kicked from room for same reason.
Each type of room is its pros and cons.
+0 / -0
7 years ago
Show me the replays where I have a "singu rushe" while you have the "ass open".
I want to see that.

Then I can assess the context and only then.
Give your accusations!
+1 / -0

7 years ago
+2 / -0
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