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14 days ago
What do you think about ultimatum? Is it too strong or not with it d gun upgrade? I like detris cost reduction but it seems pointless because one ultimatum can inflict incredible damage just sneaking behind it. Same problem is with bantha but in lesser level because bantha can be uses like skirmisher with its big lasor and faster movement speed.
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14 days ago
ultimatum is your comeback
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14 days ago
Did they buff Ulti's dgun? I always struggle to kill Detriment with Ultimatum.Personally I wouldn't have a problem if they did, because one should still be required to defend Detriment with other units to win.

Ultimatum to me is the kind of unit that rewards intensive micro.
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14 days ago
Dguns deal damage every frame they are inside their target. As such, they are particularly at the mercy of physics and behaviour changes. Their damage could change at any moment without warning.

I have not noticed a problem with the interaction of Ulti and Detriment, and it will be hard to procure watchable replays. Perhaps people could take videos? The interaction is intentional. Ulti is barely faster than Detri so it takes some skill to intercept a Detri if the Detri player is trying to avoid or decloak Ultimatums. You are supposed to have to support Detri with chaff or Infernos. The first step to killing a Detri is often to cut off the supply of chaff.
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14 days ago
ulti needs be op so it can kill op strides and cyclopes and grizz

this makes anti ulti a thing.. flea screen and things

the problem is some anti screen tactics like fire or tremor prevent screening and a skilled ulti behind a wall or something makes the detri fear to push.. if you cant push hard then its sad because mex and reclaim are after push
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14 days ago
isnt everything ulti is meant to counter barely faster than ulti?
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In an FFA game I found a metal efficient(but still incredibly expensive) way to kill detris. 2 ultimatums in herculeses, simultaneously manually dropped at maximum ramming speed with a separation angle of ≥90°. ultis droped and lived at 120 HP, but set can't shoot em both. especially potent when attacked from corneacloak, and when the detriment already has a target it's fireing at.

Ulti recently got a buff where it leads targets, good vs the heavy targets that move fast, also a buff to riot potential against raiders. Gone are the days of like 1 or 3 glaives killing an ulti.
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ulti is slow but its cloaked so it mostly has problems outrunning raiders who are chasing it down

getting close with a ulti is not the problem for me.. its when i have 4 glaves chasing me that its time to try skill shots
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14 days ago
I think ultimatums are shit and shouldn't exist at all.

The entire point of heavy units is smashing heavy defenses, if said heavy defenses can have cloaked insta-win units hiding behind them, what is the point?

Detriment already suffers to be useful because for 20% more metal you can get a DRP, which wins the game much harder and safer than a detriment can.

Ultimatums also get particularly BS underwater, where, while they can't cloak, they take advantage of the fact that most anti-sub units have a short range which lets them d-gun em.
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I think ultimatums are shit and shouldn't exist at all.


Nah. Ultis is as unit fine and should exist. I do not even stress about that he can with one shoot oblidearte dante, scorpy, cata. I m just sad for detri because 'ultimate assault strider' is in reality so weak because you need take so much precaution vs ultis who can inflict alone great dmg while detris evern turn around. Its not just metal cost. Its also about time where you need build detris which can be lost in mere seconds.
I should try get more such situations as AUrankAdminGoogleFrog told. Sadly nobody almost build detris in team games because supwep is farmore better late game choice even if they are more costly.
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14 days ago
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isnt everything ulti is meant to counter barely faster than ulti?


Scorpion, detris is slower. Bantha same speed. Dante, cata, trasnell faster. But what point is speak about movemnt speed if ultis is invisible and sneaky?
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I don't think ultimatums are a problem at all in their current guise. Most are not microed well and get chance decloaked long before they hit anything valuable or spend so long trying to get around screens and porc that the battle moves on and whatever edge they might deliver is no longer significant.

They're a wildcard option that, if the stars align, might just turn the tide of battle. However, most of the time they are simply a micro-sink that doesn't accomplish anything worth the time put into weaving through the other side's units and structures.

If a team is reliably using fire or tremors to dispose of screens to make space for an ultimatum, all they're doing is coming up with a plan and executing it well, the essence of an RTS game. Your screen doesn't have to be fleas. If you are going to walk into the teeth of an artillery bombardment, then maybe your screen needs to be stuff that can take some pain. Losing a Minotaur or two to bust an ultimatum on a detri hunt is a small price to pay if that detri then goes on to decide the game. It's not like an ultimatum can snipe. It has to get close and it has a moderately large decloak radius.

Of course, detri probably won't go on to decide the game, but that's a problem with detri, not ultimatum. I think I've only seen one game recently where it really was the key to victory.
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14 days ago
I think the detri and paladin could use being scaled down cost wise, specially detri. Detri is too close to superweapon price for comfort, its never gonna be better than building a DRP unless its made OP as hell.

Imagine the detri costing 10000 metal and having its offensive/defensive stats scaled down accordingly. It would still be a game-deciding powerhouse, but much more accessible.

And then the paladin could be scaled down to 7000 metal or so so that its smaller than detri.

I'd be ok with ultis if they were cheaper but had a much less impressive gun. One that can't melt an assault unit 10x its cost. As they are... its true that they often end up being unimportant, but the're still an unit with enormous BS potential.
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12 days ago
Half of a Paladin is called Dante.
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12 days ago
dante is nothing near half a paladin.
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12 days ago
Even worse then: You'll have two units in the same weight class where one of them isn't nearly as good as the other.
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12 days ago
7000 or even 5000 isn't nearly the same as 3500. Also the're very different units, Dante is a riot, Paladin is fire support.
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12 days ago
A pair of Grizzlies?
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11 days ago
but they shoot different.. its like saying a banana is half an orange.. ??can it ever be true??
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11 days ago
Puff, a unit can split into 2 units XD
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