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is yogurt an animal?

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yes this is a less then reasonable question and is rather silly indeed

noon the less..

do plants and bacteria have feelings? what is consciousness? and can a machine ever feel?

could crystals, liquids, plasmas, electrical or all manner of exotic organism become self aware?

is consciousness possible in things like stars

would perhaps the war between man and machine be resource driven and not emotional seeing as the machines may not have a intrinsic understanding of emotions

seeing man as just an obstacle just like a pool of acid it needs to avoid/counter
and it does not see man as a 'evil'.. its not vengeance driven.. its more cold and calculated..
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5 months ago
The question here is : what is life?

Yogurt matrice could be considered as not living while is composed of proteins assemble and nutrients.
On the other hand bacteria are living...
Thought bacteria aren't animal because thez are uni-cellular.

Now about emotion:

For me an animal need a centralised neural response to emotion stimulus like pain.
As exemple Human feel pain and emotion because the electric info is analysed in the encephal where emotive structure analyse it (tonsil brain). Instead, a non emotive animal like some species of frog only have reflex arc where the neural info stop in the vertebral columns...

Crystal liquid Plasma and non living stuff shure don't have "consciousness" for now...

...But everything could exist in the reality, as human, you trust!

"Would perhaps the war between man and machine..." this is why you post it on Zero-K forum? :P
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FIrankFFC
5 months ago
This sure sounds like off topic
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^ lol ffc.. how i move it now? can i?
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5 months ago
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do plants and bacteria have feelings?


No.

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what is consciousness?


I don't really know; I believe that in this case essentialistic approach is counterproductive and we should instead take a nominalistic stance. For example, there can be no consciousness in dead people; in not-organic matter, and so on. That way we can get a general understanding of the term without all the hassle and pondering, which continues to this day. I recommend Carl Popper on this topic.

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and can a machine ever feel?


Theoretically - yeah, why not? We humans are ourselves are bio-machines of some sort. Yuval Noah Harari written very interesting ''Homo Deus'', where among other themes he considers potential superiority of machine over human.

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could crystals, liquids, plasmas, electrical or all manner of exotic organism become self aware?


Crystals, Liquids, plasmas, electricity - I don't think so. Exotic organism? Sure. We are exotic organism too, if you ask me.

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is consciousness possible in things like stars


Not really.

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would perhaps the war between man and machine be resource driven and not emotional seeing as the machines may not have a intrinsic understanding of emotions


Name me one war in history that was emotional and not resource driven. There was not one war like that.

Oh. And then I read remainder of his post and it all goes south. Gotta admit, you had pretty reasonable questions at the beginning.
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discriminating question...
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5 months ago
unknownrankDrKran
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the rest wasnt a question just some lore i made up =P

sorry its not good i should just delete it?

i think i meant more that machine wars might be unemotional and not that human wars dont involve resources
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5 months ago
Life is not really that hard to "explain" even if it's pretty much impossible to define with sharp edges (viruses etc).

Regarding consciousness there is a neat theory that I like, the integrated information theory.
It makes some predictions which have already been tested.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_information_theory

According to this, some simple devices might be self aware/have consciousness, but intriguingly, this does not include computers.
Computers, viewed by this theory are simple feed forward deviced with not enough degrees of freedom to possess consciousness.

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5 months ago
This is a complicated cluster of interconnected, poorly-defined human-related notions, such as consciousness, self-awareness, mind, qualia, emotions etc. And there are a lot of theories, scientific and philosophical, trying to explain those concepts, but they are all have their shortcomings. The fact is, we don't have in this area anything similar to evolution theory in biology or general relativity + quantum mechanics in physics.

And it is even more complicated because those notions are tainted (often tacitly) by the religious idea of "soul".

In such state of affairs, it seems that the general question "what is ..." (consciousness, emotions, mind, and so on) is quite pointless. It should come in context, in other words, be complemented by a purpose of asking.

For example, people may be interested in consciousness (and the related concepts) for those reasons:

1. Technological, e.g. is it possible to transfer (upload) a human mind into the computer?

2. Moral-legal, e.g. at which stage turning off an AI will be considered as a murder?

3. Scientific, e.g. what exactly is the cause of the wave function collapse?

4. Exploratory, e.g. what are the possible altered states of consciousnesses, how to reach them and how to come back?

...and the list could be continued: education, medicine, warfare, psychology...
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5 months ago
Planes do not look much like birds.
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yogurt (or more precisely, yogurt cultures) can't die, and therefore you can't call them animals; there is no point at which its fermenting, or other autonomous functions, will cease aside from if you were to destroy it completely, every last cell. For something to be a living being, it needs the ability to die, and yogurt can't die.
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5 months ago
unloads shotgun on a yogurt.. splash of yogurt lands on face and begins to grow.. screams of horror..
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