Games, illustrations, movies, animations, novels, comics, music, any creation that convinced me to create something as if I didn't want to be ashamed as merely an audience. But ironically, they never show me that they spent a lot of time and energy to make their audience amaze and give awards to their creation. I used to think if I gather enough knowledge and experience of creation, I could make my creation up to par and feel proud. It turned out, I enjoy less as I think more critically and able to spot flaws in my creations. This is my first drawing for my school assignment. It only cost one day or so to finish it. I didn't think of any flaw but I felt so proud of this work.  And this is my latest drawing. It cost roughly one week as well as fixing the design for the severely damaged gunship. And now, I didn't feel like looking at this drawing anymore.  Perfectionism was the behind of this because of the double standard of not telling how hard they spend on a single creation. Or is it just me who went in the wrong way, by spending a long time absorbing the knowledge of making art instead of just keep making illustrations and fix any mistake I could get along the way?
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I also paint and draw, and honestly I think both those works are cool. The first one is obviously more naive but it is just loaded with atmosphere and feeling. The second is clinical and flawless and well executed. They both have a place in art. The real question is: did you derive pleasure from making it, and now that its made, are you happy? If so, then you spent your time well.
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   AstranI derived pleasure and pride from both works. But the second one only derived pride in the process of making and only a short period of time after a final process. Therefore, the first work is costs less valuable time than the second one.
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I had spent some time making things for fun, namely, drawings. None of them would i be happy to show to anyone. But, i remember i was happy making those. Then, real life came at me in form of highschool where sheer talent was not enough to maintain any form of good grades. Standardized education for ya. So i had to drop all fun side activities like scribbling and drawing. One thing i can actually say i am proud of, is a picture of nightmare i cooked up for friend, who wanted something to ilustrate the sheer terror of beeing watched by inanimate objects. What i want to say is - If drawing is not your lifeline, it matters not if the effect is IDEAL. What matters is, if you enjoyed working on it, if you enjoyed the creative process, fixing things, et cetera. Personally, while i enjoy watching "perfect" art, i would rather watch "loved" art. It just... hits different. When someone loved what they did, even if a snob critic from art gallery would have a stroke, i just... feel something watching the art. Do i currently make any art? Nope. Some writing here and there, mostly ending up in fireplace. I lost my edge in writing, all i write now is basically deus ex machina, AKA - AssPull supreme.
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A lot of practice can substitute for lacking theory (in arts). A lot of theory does not really substitute for practice. Ideally you want both, but if you can at all practice more, you should.
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I don't understand the reason I created this forum post. I just want to vent. I am probably just being jealous of   PaulBellow for his newly made novel while I am still broke and still starting out designing characters for my illustrations and my own series. I feel like throwing insult at him for his 1v1 losing streak. But that's not gonna happen! I can understand he spent a lot of time and energy working on the novel because I already felt it myself creating a single illustration at least once. It's all the perfectionism and the wannabe's fault. Perfectionism scammed me about the beauty of creating the masterpiece. But instead, it was the pain behind the masterpiece. My wannabe is annoyingly promoting itself inside my mind which doesn't really fit my passion in my heart. As Astran and I said, the second illustration I posted just because to fulfill my standard of creating a decent illustration. And it ended up being not enjoying it anymore. In other words, I want to create masterpieces at full heart, not just because wanting to be equal to other creators. I want to focus on what can I do and passionate about it without either perfectionism or wannabe ringing the bell.
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I would go further and suggest that theory is only a very gentle force multiplier. Practice is more effective in art and music until you are fairly developed in the skills.
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Try to write orchestral music, and i don`t mean midi-instruments stacked but an actual arrangement for multiple groups of instruments and see how far you get without theory. :) You need theory and practise, and a lot of it. My father used to be a professional musician in an orchestra, and he would spend around 6-8 hours of the day playing the same (pretty boring) practise routines. About the perfectionism: I think a certain degree of perfectionism is actually really important, because especially when learning, you should set a yourself a goal and push until you got it. The important part is to always have in mind what you can REALISTICALY expect from yourself in terms of current skill and ressources. How would a perfect version of the picture above look and why can`t you get there? Just as an example of questions that you can ask yourself to work on solving the problem. Lastly, there is a thrird thing an artist needs beside theory and practise: You want an idea of what you want to express both in and with your art. This is the most important part. To give an example of this as well, you might watch this:
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also, trust me, i am currently working on a short, 2-min track that i thought i could finish within a week, the problem piled on problem, it has taken 2 month so far and it will take at least 1 more. I can fully understand your frustration.
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I'm so sad that i don't have good drawing skills. I wish i could draw my own created characters as i want to see them.
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Skill at drawing is learnable
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   rifqifajarzain "I don't understand the reason I created this forum post. I just want to vent. I am probably just being jealous of PaulBellow for his newly made novel while I am still broke and still starting out designing characters for my illustrations and my own series." Buddy I have written about 4 books and a bunch of short stories that are also on Amazon and I'm still broke. There's a big difference between writing or creating and selling what you create. Selling is an art on its own. Don't be discouraged, since it's clear that you have talent. However, if you don't use that talent it is as if it never was. Keep going.
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Nice art rifqifajarzain, I'm not an artist myself, but I know how hard and long things like that are. If you keep at it, practice regularly and want it badly enough, you'll progress a lot in the art industry.
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aaaaaand the next piece of equip died......... quote:
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and money.
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I know but some people still have inborn talent but i don't. So i have to put great time to do it. :/ Still sadde.
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let`s ask like that: how much time per day did you spend on drawing last year   Senaven? I thought i was simply not able to go over a certain level on guitar. Then someone said: "If you are honest about it, how long did you try?" I was honest with myself and realised that the longest time i ever spend on learning a specific technique was like a week. Laughable. You need years of REGULAR practise, not drawing / playing / writing a little bit, then drop it again. I started to practise again roughly a year ago. Every single day. After a month or so i noticed that i began to noticably improve. Right now i am on a level that is not really good, but it is already farther than i had thought i could ever go. Other example: It took me 5 years of wasting my life on zk to reach the point where i am now. 4 month INGAME-time. Talent is a thing, but citing my father: "it`s 5 % talent, 95 % work."
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I still wonder if the creators of Hilda the Series have the most painful experience during the production or at least during the preplanned. The show still becomes the large scope of my envious but for now, my only option is just to focus on my art and doing my best.
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The more i look at it, the more I like your first work. The emotional core is perfectly understandable, flawed as the technique may be. It is a world in it`s own, it seems complete. Ask Astran about what you should focus right now to improve, i am sure he can guide you towards your goeals. I myself am thinking about how I would redraw your second picture to stress different expressions. How would a version look that puts more emphasis on dynamic movement? How would it look if I tried to focus on the (supposedly) triumphant feeling of escape?
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