2 widows can't stun jug?

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tivoris

7 months ago

https://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/1715881
correct me if i am delusional but i believe 2 widows used to stun full hp juggernaut for 17 sec. (approx don't remember for sure) but now it only stun for 4 sec. (in link battle: at 5:49 between top supermexes) and i need now 3 widows to stun for 17 sec. (10:59 same place). Did something change?
Also how does stun duration work? :3 Apparently 95%hp jug is stuned by 2 widows for 10 sec. So how is it calculated exactly?
Best regards :3

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Aquanim

7 months ago

A reasonable starting point: http://zero-k.info/mediawiki/Status_Effects#EMP_damage

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malric

7 months ago
(edited 7 months ago)

I can't get to match that page and

tivoris's description: If I compute using:

((16000*0.95/13500)-1)/0.025 = 5 sec (versus 10 sec reported)

Edit: above computation is wrong, see below messages, 0.95 should be applied on the HP not on the damage

where:

16000 = 8000 (widow damage) * 2
0.95 = 95% hp
13500 = juggle HP
0.025 = 2.5% percentage per second that EMP damage decays

For a full health I get: ((16000*1/13500)-1)/0.025 = 7.4 sec (versus 4 sec reported)

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tivoris

7 months ago
(edited 7 months ago)

thanks a lot for that formula - where did u get it?
Also u must get it wrong - clearly u can see that higher hp jug got stuned for longer then lower hp :P
(in your formula: 100% hp - 7sec 95%hp - 5sec) i believe if u change denominator like so: ((16000/(13500*0.95))-1)/0.025 it does perfectly match my observation (10 sec) and start to behave correctly (higher hp get stun shorter then lower hp)
but still if it is correct it doesn't match my observation at full hp
Regardless thanks a lot for that info :)

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GoogleFrog

7 months ago

I don't recall Widow or Jugg changing for quite a long time. So it's probably always been 4.5s at full health.

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malric

7 months ago

quote:
thanks a lot for that formula - where did u get it?

Formula is deduced based on the page

Aquanim pointed to.

Either I deduced the formula wrong, the page information is incorrect or the observation is inexact. No clue what is the case, would also like to know more precise how it is computed, but before looking through code, maybe someone has an idea...

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Stuff

7 months ago
(edited 7 months ago)

malric it's ((16000/0.95/13500)-1)/0.025 and not ((16000*0.95/13500)-1)/0.025 (you div by 0.95 and not multiply by 0.95) and the math does work out to 9.9 seconds

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malric

7 months ago

Thanks! I knew I did a stupid mistake!

Still what about the full health one? There it's 1 so it does not matter and the reported stun time is 4 sec while the computed one should one should be 7.4 sec

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Stuff

7 months ago

Right clicking 2 windows onto a juggle at full hp results in 6s stun

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