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Screw bitcoins! Let's patent food!

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Skasi
11 years ago
Dibs on plums! It's the new hype, man!
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The Commerce clause strikes again!!!!!


Uh never mind this is a euro thing.
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11 years ago
Lol. How the heck do they thing this would work? We better patent earth fast!
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11 years ago
We should patent breathing or oxygen :P
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11 years ago
i patent patenting. so i win.
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quote:
i patent patenting. so i win.

i patent patent patenting so i win.
i'll patent existance too, and thinkin, and zk, and trolling!
THE WORLD IS MINE
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11 years ago
you patent GPL stuff?

then you are infected with GPL!
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fuck you all

ill patent the word "and" and the letter "i"

:D biches i owns your inglish now
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11 years ago
me will patent ddab!
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Skasi
11 years ago
I'll patent ur face.
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11 years ago
"Lol. How the heck do they thing this would work? We better patent earth fast!"

First you need to understand what a patent is. It is an exclusionary right (meaning you can legally prevent others from using it) given by the government for an "invention". An invention is defined as something industrially applicable (it has to be useful, duh), novel (new - not something that has been done before), exhibit a sufficient "inventive step" (not obvious) and you must provide full disclosure on how it works/how you did it for it to be protected under patent law.

N.B. Patents are not universally accepted, so a patent in America may not be respected in another country eg. China.

Agricultural patents are typically given to companies who produce a method for improving a strain of plant by giving it various beneficial properties. The patent protects the harvesting/sowing of the fruit/seeds but it the patent itself describes how to make that particular plant so special. You can see one of Monsanto's patents here: http://www.google.com/patents/US4535060 (as I said before, patents must be fully disclosed to get protection, otherwise its just a trade secret)

I'm not supporting agricultural (or for that matter pharmaceutical) patents in any way, but just letting you know that what they are patenting is not so trivial as "I want to patent plums!".
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Skasi
Not sure what you are trying to say. They are patenting a couple plants. To me that is very much so trivial as my OP's comment
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the problem is, acording to patent law, the actualy genetic code that makes the plant "special" (transgenic plant) is patented, as such any plant that has that code is breaching the pattent. this in itself isnt harmfull.

the problem comes from the fact that plants can cross polenate to other plants that dont have the "special" bit of DNA, giving said plant the DNA. this allows the patent lawyers* to sue the shit out of any farmer within a 50 mile radius of the transgenic plant farm, due to copyright infringment, within the space of 2-3 years...

so yes PATENTS ON GENETICS ARE BAD, REALY REALY BAD!!!

*read: demented fucktards that should be burned for crimes agains humanity
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Skasi
11 years ago
Not just on genetics. Any.
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"due to copyright infringment" No.

But the gist of your statement is pretty much spot on.

At the very least they have (for now) limitations on how long they are protected: iirc 20 years. Hopefully Monsanto doesn't get the opportunity to pull a Disney and ruin patents as completely as copyright.

edit: Skasi, patents can be beneficial. They encourage companies and inventors to share how they accomplished something cool. There are some obvious problems (see above) and companies like to use them as ammo to prevent others from getting an edge, but they are not entirely without merit. I would also support copyright if it was actually limited in duration, because the intention behind it is well and good, but it just doesn't work when the protection never ends.
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Skasi
11 years ago
The only benefit in patents are patents created for the sake of stopping patents and there's no good intention behind copyright I can think of other than stopping people from creating weapons of mass destruction.
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11 years ago
zomg... can we discuss religion after patents?
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Skasi
11 years ago
I'ma patent god. Bring it!
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In the USA the main problem is that patents are more or less automatically given. Then you have to go to court to get them nullified.

In addition, we have some iffy patents like software and genetics. Which need reform. Nevertheless, mainly it is just too easy to get patents.
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11 years ago
I would like something like a sell-able secret thing much more.

You can invent something, tell what it can do or which problem is solved and everybody can vote for publishing with money.

If a certain amount of votes (money), it get published under GPL or public domain.

The only allowed special case is, that it could behave like if patented by the voters for some time after the publishing (maybe 1-2 years for software) and THEN automatically switches to GPL or public domain.

This allows both - to get merit for your work and respects the (most) intentions behind open licenses like LGPL or GPL.

The only problem would be to protect the secret while giving enough information away that voters get attracted. But this could also be an advantage to limit spam.

Though anybody else can make the same "offer" or intercept it with an open solution as long as the secret is not possible to be known by him.
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