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[quote]You keep saying that big games are bad, but all i see is your personal opinion.[/quote]
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[quote]You keep saying that big games are bad, but all i see is your personal opinion.[/quote]
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Larger games:
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Larger games:
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* have higher Elo variance.
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* have higher Elo variance.
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* make the already performance-hungry game even more so.
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* make the already performance-hungry game even more so.
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* take more time to start (lobby voting).
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* take more time to start (lobby voting).
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* are preferred by trolls and make them effective for cost (one troll ruins game for more people).
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* are preferred by trolls and make them effective for cost (one troll ruins game for more people).
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* unit balance deviates more (most units are balanced for 1v1).
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* unit balance deviates more (most units are balanced for 1v1).
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* cannot be handled by the colour spectrum (hard to tell people's colors apart).
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* cannot be handled by the colour spectrum (hard to tell people's colors apart).
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They harm development:
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* it puts constraints on what can be done. Smaller games can't have nice things if they don't scale.
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* testing properly becomes difficult. Some bugs only really happen in dense games and getting 20 people to join a testing room on their own volition (like they would a regular room) is not easy.
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Then there's personal dislike reasons:
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Then there's personal dislike reasons:
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* incentivize passive playstyle due to the ease of porc and eco, and are thus usually either a cheezy rush or a porcfest.
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* incentivize passive playstyle due to the ease of porc and eco, and are thus usually either a cheezy rush or a porcfest.
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* are often played on very small maps like Icy or trololo which makes them retardedly cramped.
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* are often played on very small maps like Icy or trololo which makes them retardedly cramped.
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And there's things that I mentioned earlier about not being nub-friendly:
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And there's things that I mentioned earlier about not being nub-friendly:
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* hard to learn introspectively: too low personal influence on outcome
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* hard to learn introspectively: too low personal influence on outcome
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* people usually don't care and won't give advice
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* people usually don't care and won't give advice
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* laggy, troll magnet, votespam in lobby (already mentioned above)
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* laggy, troll magnet, votespam in lobby (already mentioned above)
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[quote]Can you prove that the number of people retained by forcing small rooms is going to be bigger than the number of active players who will leave?[/quote]
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[quote]Can you prove that the number of people retained by forcing small rooms is going to be bigger than the number of active players who will leave?[/quote]
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No. [spoiler]I think there wouldn't be much actual loss (some rage and that's it), and even if so, I value the game quality improvement higher than a bunch of pluks.[/spoiler]
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No. [spoiler]I think there wouldn't be much actual loss (some rage and that's it), and even if so, I value the game quality improvement higher than a bunch of pluks.[/spoiler]
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[quote]Joining the biggest room is clearly a free choice.[/quote]
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[quote]Joining the biggest room is clearly a free choice.[/quote]
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Sure but that's not how humans work.
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Sure but that's not how humans work.
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[spoiler]For example: people might want a small game and kinda dislike large games but prefer a large game to no game. So they see no small teams room, join a big room, and stay there because they can get a game. But since they aren't sitting in the small room, the next such person comes in and sees the small room empty, so joins the big one etc.[/spoiler]
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[spoiler]For example: people might want a small game and kinda dislike large games but prefer a large game to no game. So they see no small teams room, join a big room, and stay there because they can get a game. But since they aren't sitting in the small room, the next such person comes in and sees the small room empty, so joins the big one etc.[/spoiler]
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[quote]Stop making excuses for lobbying for your personal interests under disguise of caring about some helpless minority which for some reason is uncapable of voicing their opinion. [/quote]
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[quote]Stop making excuses for lobbying for your personal interests under disguise of caring about some helpless minority which for some reason is uncapable of voicing their opinion. [/quote]
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That wasn't even supposed to be disguised. I personally think small games should be enforced for reasons above, and being crappy to nabs is just one of them. I felt like emphasizing on this particular reason because of the thread title.
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That wasn't even supposed to be disguised. I personally think small games should be enforced for reasons above, and being crappy to nabs is just one of them. I felt like emphasizing on this particular reason because of the thread title.
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why we dont get new players