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[quote]The hitspheres on the trees you showed are perfectly valid[/quote]
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[quote]The hitspheres on the trees you showed are perfectly valid[/quote]
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Which trees? The picture above your post is an example of [i]decent[/i] boxes. I meant this:
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Which trees? The picture above your post is an example of [i]decent[/i] boxes. I meant this:
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[img]http://i.imgur.com/Q7sTvDY.png[/img]
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[img]http://i.imgur.com/Q7sTvDY.png[/img]
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[quote]If they include these features in their maps do you REALLY think that they are going to adjust the hitspheres?[/quote]
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[quote]If they include these features in their maps do you REALLY think that they are going to adjust the hitspheres?[/quote]
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No,
and
that's
why
I
think
SF
sucks
for
ZK
usage:
it
just
spreads
its
crappy
defaults.
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6 |
No,
and
that's
why
I
think
SF
sucks
for
ZK
usage:
it
just
spreads
its
crappy
defaults.
(
It's
perfect
for
games
that
don't
care
about
feature
resource
values
but
ZK
is
not
such
a
game.
)
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It
wouldn't
be
a
problem
if
we
had
quality
mappers
who
could
make
sure
the
defs
are
appropriate
for
ZK
but
everyone
just
mindlessly
plasters
them
around
without
paying
much
attention
to
gameplay
(
for
the
record
this
is
mostly
about
resource
values,
hitboxes
are
fixable
SF-side)
.
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7 |
It
wouldn't
be
a
problem
if
either
SF
values
worked
with
ZK
right
off
the
bat,
or
if
we
had
quality
mappers
who
would
make
sure
the
defs
are
appropriate
for
ZK;
but
everyone
just
mindlessly
plasters
them
around
without
paying
much
attention
to
gameplay
(
for
the
record
this
is
mostly
about
resource
values,
hitboxes
are
fixable
SF-side)
.
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[quote]As a result, your argument of hitspheres being a mark against sf is completely bogus.[/quote]
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[quote]As a result, your argument of hitspheres being a mark against sf is completely bogus.[/quote]
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Not really? Just because there is no other alternative and nobody wants to improve the quality doesn't mean it's not mediocre (again, the resource values are more important here).
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Not really? Just because there is no other alternative and nobody wants to improve the quality doesn't mean it's not mediocre (again, the resource values are more important here).
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[quote]WHY in almighty tits would someone want to have to recreate hundreds of defs???[/quote]
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[quote]WHY in almighty tits would someone want to have to recreate hundreds of defs???[/quote]
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Have you read my post? Someone might want to have the features provide gameplay value. Because you get the superb models, SF is actually the best possible choice for someone willing to override the defs -- but no mapper ever does that.
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Have you read my post? Someone might want to have the features provide gameplay value. Because you get the superb models, SF is actually the best possible choice for someone willing to override the defs -- but no mapper ever does that.
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[quote]"a few features aren't perfect so omfg we better start ALL over!", and it's stupid, especially when it can be fixed with defs ffs[/quote]
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[quote]"a few features aren't perfect so omfg we better start ALL over!", and it's stupid, especially when it can be fixed with defs ffs[/quote]
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Not
"a
few".
Almost
none
of
them
have
resourcing
that
makes
sense
for
ZK
(
especially
now
that
most
of
them
have
0
value)
.
And
even
though
it
[i]can[/b]
be
fixed
with
defs,
it
never
actually
is.
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16 |
Not
"a
few".
Almost
none
of
them
have
resourcing
that
makes
sense
for
ZK
(
especially
now
that
most
of
them
have
0
value)
.
And
even
though
it
can
be
fixed
with
defs,
it
never
actually
is.
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[quote]You think people should have to recreate a def each time? Are you nuts? Do you have any idea how long that would take???[/quote]
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[quote]You think people should have to recreate a def each time? Are you nuts? Do you have any idea how long that would take???[/quote]
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Why "each time"? Any def needs to have its values changed to something ZK-sensible just once and can then be copied.
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Why "each time"? Any def needs to have its values changed to something ZK-sensible just once and can then be copied.
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The time it would take is like 15s per feature, not sure why you consider editing 3 values in a text file difficult (especially since you can do that in batch too).
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The time it would take is like 15s per feature, not sure why you consider editing 3 values in a text file difficult (especially since you can do that in batch too).
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[quote]This conversation should be about how you want to help[/quote]
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[quote]This conversation should be about how you want to help[/quote]
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I could provide stuff but the problem with SF is its design. Highest quality comes from things made with a specific purpose in mind. SF does not do that, being designed to be compatible with every game. Some things can be fixed universally (like hitbox) but some can't (resources).
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I could provide stuff but the problem with SF is its design. Highest quality comes from things made with a specific purpose in mind. SF does not do that, being designed to be compatible with every game. Some things can be fixed universally (like hitbox) but some can't (resources).
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Would you be willing to have SF featuredefs values (in particular, the metal/energy/health) kept tailored specifically for ZK?
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Would you be willing to have SF featuredefs values (in particular, the metal/energy/health) kept tailored specifically for ZK?
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As I understand, SF is supposed to be inter-game so making the values specifically target ZK sounds like going against one of its principles. But, the values have to be set to [i]something[/i] so making them work for ZK doesn't seem to have any cost associated with it.
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As I understand, SF is supposed to be inter-game so making the values specifically target ZK sounds like going against one of its principles. But, the values have to be set to [i]something[/i] so making them work for ZK doesn't seem to have any cost associated with it.
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If so, I'd be willing to provide maintenance help and actively encourage SF.
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30 |
If so, I'd be willing to provide maintenance help and actively encourage SF.
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