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[quote]Can you give us some example new unit prices? [/quote]
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[quote]Can you give us some example new unit prices? [/quote]
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[quote]For ZK it will be nearly impossible to solve the equation analytically[/quote]
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[quote]For ZK it will be nearly impossible to solve the equation analytically[/quote]
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Even
aside
from
indirect
combat
utility
(
things
which
don't
do
damage
can
be
useful:
constructors,
mex,
placeholder,
aspis,
vulture,
etc)
,
i
don't
think
that
even
when
solved
this
equation
would
be
very
good
at
least
for
things
that
interest
me
(
combat
outcome
prediction)
because
it
seems
to
model
combat
as
a
continuous
process
where
things
like
One
Hit
Kill
don't
happen.
I
would
expect
the
algorithm
to
undervalue
Duck
vs
Glaive,
for
example,
because
of
Duck's
DPS
not
being
that
much
compensated
by
its
health.
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Even
aside
from
indirect
combat
utility
(
things
which
don't
do
damage
can
be
useful:
constructors,
mex,
placeholder,
aspis,
vulture,
etc)
,
i
don't
think
that
even
when
solved
this
equation
would
be
very
good
at
least
for
things
that
interest
me
(
combat
outcome
prediction)
because
it
seems
to
model
combat
as
a
continuous
process
where
things
like
One
Hit
Kill
don't
happen.
I
would
expect
the
equation
to
undervalue
Duck
vs
Glaive,
for
example,
because
of
Duck's
DPS
not
being
that
much
compensated
by
its
health.
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However, it would be interesting to measure analytical (and other) combat models for their accuracy for combat prediction if there was a dataset of combats. Since that is useful in other ways too, maybe i'll try to figure out how to generate a reasonable dataset sometime autumnly, especially as replay archives are now accessible and scrapeable.
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However, it would be interesting to measure analytical (and other) combat models for their accuracy for combat prediction if there was a dataset of combats. Since that is useful in other ways too, maybe i'll try to figure out how to generate a reasonable dataset sometime autumnly, especially as replay archives are now accessible and scrapeable.
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Now, for the fun part. Not solving an equation analytically means solving it either by brute force, or by approximation, right? There was a series of interesting papers that achieved good combat outcome prediction accuracies by using machine learning. The one i found most intriguing was the one that assumed a simple lanchester's square law combat model with [i]pairwise effective dps[/i] for each unit type, and machine-learned these pairwise DPS to make the model work. This was just a proof of concept for Starcraft, where armor modifiers are known and combat is fairly simple; for ZK, effective DPS could easily encode things like accuracy, leading, and maybe even AoE.
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Now, for the fun part. Not solving an equation analytically means solving it either by brute force, or by approximation, right? There was a series of interesting papers that achieved good combat outcome prediction accuracies by using machine learning. The one i found most intriguing was the one that assumed a simple lanchester's square law combat model with [i]pairwise effective dps[/i] for each unit type, and machine-learned these pairwise DPS to make the model work. This was just a proof of concept for Starcraft, where armor modifiers are known and combat is fairly simple; for ZK, effective DPS could easily encode things like accuracy, leading, and maybe even AoE.
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(but not utility things like mentioned above: the lanchester model, even with pairwise dps, cannot model unit synergies and utilities)
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(but not utility things like mentioned above: the lanchester model, even with pairwise dps, cannot model unit synergies and utilities)
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And again, applying that to ZK requires a dataset.
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And again, applying that to ZK requires a dataset.
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What features should objects in such a dataset have?
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What features should objects in such a dataset have?
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How to balance (calculate strength of) units in any strategy game