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I have been thinking about various 1v1 cheeses and how they can impact the game, and classifying them on the terms of how all-in they are, how much destruction can you expect, and how scoutable and counterable they are. I'll write up some of that here.
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I have been thinking about various 1v1 cheeses and how they can impact the game, and classifying them on the terms of how all-in they are, how much destruction can you expect, and how scoutable and counterable they are. I'll write up some of that here.
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[u][b]Historical BD rush[/b][/u]
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[u][b]Historical BD rush[/b][/u]
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Now would be called a Revenant rush, but now it doesn't exist. It required more starting metal and is not practical atm. But back then...
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Now would be called a Revenant rush, but now it doesn't exist. It required more starting metal and is not practical atm. But back then...
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[b]Scoutable[/b]:
Medium.
Both
the
commander
and
the
factory
were
doing
nothing
but
the
BD
for
a
while,
but
they
could
be
hidden
away
in
a
non-expected
zone,
and
the
gunship
could
take
a
sneaky
path
to
avoid
detection.
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[b]Scoutable[/b]:
Medium.
Both
the
commander
and
the
factory
were
doing
nothing
but
the
BD
for
a
while,
but
they
could
be
hidden
away
in
a
non-expected
zone,
and
the
gunship
could
take
a
sneaky
path
to
avoid
detection.
But
then
no
factory
present
in
expected
place
usually
meant
"spam
AA
just
in
case".
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[b]Impactful[/b]: Very. A good unscouted BD rush would kill a commander and maybe even a factory while keeping the attacker unit for repairs.
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[b]Impactful[/b]: Very. A good unscouted BD rush would kill a commander and maybe even a factory while keeping the attacker unit for repairs.
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[b]All-In[/b]: Very. You could afford maybe one mex besides the BD while rushing the BD.
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[b]All-In[/b]: Very. You could afford maybe one mex besides the BD while rushing the BD.
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Overall, if scouted, you would lose. Even token AA would destroy your ability to inflict meaningful long-term damage. You could roll with the hits, using the BD to contain enemy expansion and pick stragglers, but this wouldn't make up for lost opportunity cost of actually having your own eco.
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Overall, if scouted, you would lose. Even token AA would destroy your ability to inflict meaningful long-term damage. You could roll with the hits, using the BD to contain enemy expansion and pick stragglers, but this wouldn't make up for lost opportunity cost of actually having your own eco.
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[u][b]Historical Gnat Rush[/b][/u]
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[u][b]Historical Gnat Rush[/b][/u]
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You make five gnats and run into the enemy base. You stun commander, factory, turrets, and everything. Then you send more gnats on a repeat-build fight-order. This took 40 seconds.
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You make five gnats and run into the enemy base. You stun commander, factory, turrets, and everything. Then you send more gnats on a repeat-build fight-order. This took 40 seconds.
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[b]Scoutable[/b]
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[b]Scoutable[/b]
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Not really. This usually hit the time the first scouts make it. Unless you're gunships or planes.
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Not really. This usually hit the time the first scouts make it. Unless you're gunships or planes.
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[b]Impactful[/b]
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[b]Impactful[/b]
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Instant victory on success. Total destruction of the enemy rather than crippling.
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Instant victory on success. Total destruction of the enemy rather than crippling.
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[b]All-in[/b]
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[b]All-in[/b]
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Medium. Little eco needed to be sacrificed - 5 gnats costed way less than a Black Dawn. But if you lost, you did no damage because gnats don't kill things.
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Medium. Little eco needed to be sacrificed - 5 gnats costed way less than a Black Dawn. But if you lost, you did no damage because gnats don't kill things.
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Needless to say, this is historical for a reason.
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Needless to say, this is historical for a reason.
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[u][b]Fencer Rush[/b][/u]
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[u][b]Fencer Rush[/b][/u]
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You make 1 mex at most and pipe your everything into 4 fencers, then hit the enemy base. Typically you also include a rocket commander to take out enemy assaults, and especially guaranteed assault unit which is their commander. This strategy hasn't changed since Slasher became Fencer.
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You make 1 mex at most and pipe your everything into 4 fencers, then hit the enemy base. Typically you also include a rocket commander to take out enemy assaults, and especially guaranteed assault unit which is their commander. This strategy hasn't changed since Slasher became Fencer.
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[b]Scoutable[/b]
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[b]Scoutable[/b]
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Very. If commander is used, it takes a direct path because it's slow. Fencer paths take predictable shapes too. Your first scout is likely to hit on it in time.
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Very. If commander is used, it takes a direct path because it's slow. Fencer paths take predictable shapes too. Your first scout is likely to hit on it in time.
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[b]Impactful[/b]
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[b]Impactful[/b]
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Full immediate defeat of enemy on success.
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Full immediate defeat of enemy on success.
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[b]All-in[/b]
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[b]All-in[/b]
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100% of your resources are in the attack. Your factory is likely killed by a stray glaive. Your commander is an assault unit. If you fail to bring the enemy on your level and keep them there, you lose.
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100% of your resources are in the attack. Your factory is likely killed by a stray glaive. Your commander is an assault unit. If you fail to bring the enemy on your level and keep them there, you lose.
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[u][b]Reaver Rush[/b][/u]
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[u][b]Reaver Rush[/b][/u]
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You take a recon commander and start as close to enemy as possible. You jump, and walk for a while, plopping the factory as close to the enemy as possible without overflowing your innate income. You pump out two Reavers and resume your jump-assisted walk while morphing an HMG and maybe an Ablative. Then you kill things while pumping glaives on repeat against the inevitable - but [i]wrong[/i] - attempts by the enemy to counter Reavers with skirmishers.
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You take a recon commander and start as close to enemy as possible. You jump, and walk for a while, plopping the factory as close to the enemy as possible without overflowing your innate income. You pump out two Reavers and resume your jump-assisted walk while morphing an HMG and maybe an Ablative. Then you kill things while pumping glaives on repeat against the inevitable - but [i]wrong[/i] - attempts by the enemy to counter Reavers with skirmishers.
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[b]Scoutable[/b]
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[b]Scoutable[/b]
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Quite. Again, you take the predictable shortest path with slow units. Once spotted, the typical way the enemy loses is by making skirmishers instead of porc. Surely, skirms counter Reaver - but they need time to do it, and they need space to kite. The tempo here affords neither.
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Quite. Again, you take the predictable shortest path with slow units. Once spotted, the typical way the enemy loses is by making skirmishers instead of porc. Surely, skirms counter Reaver - but they need time to do it, and they need space to kite. The tempo here affords neither.
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[b]Impactful[/b]
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[b]Impactful[/b]
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You win in two minutes on success.
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You win in two minutes on success.
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[b]All-in[/b]
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[b]All-in[/b]
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You don't even have time for that one mex that you could make in the fencer rush. 100% resources are in the rush.
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You don't even have time for that one mex that you could make in the fencer rush. 100% resources are in the rush.
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[u][b]Blastwing Opening[/b][/u]
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[u][b]Blastwing Opening[/b][/u]
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You send 4-5 Blastwing to cripple the enemy initial build-up, then expand rabidly while harrasing them.
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You send 4-5 Blastwing to cripple the enemy initial build-up, then expand rabidly while harrasing them.
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[b]Scoutable[/b]
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[b]Scoutable[/b]
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Same as Gnat Rush. Only way to scout that is by mind reading.
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Same as Gnat Rush. Only way to scout that is by mind reading.
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[b]Impactful[/b]
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[b]Impactful[/b]
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You cripple the enemy economy but otherwise they're alive.
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You cripple the enemy economy but otherwise they're alive.
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Historical version with high-explosive blastwings could outright destroy them, though.
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Historical version with high-explosive blastwings could outright destroy them, though.
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[b]All-in[/b]
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[b]All-in[/b]
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You spend less on those blastwings than cloakies usually spend on glaives.
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You spend less on those blastwings than cloakies usually spend on glaives.
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[i]One of those is not like the others[/i]. Or, rather one of the non-historical things here is a lot like one of the historical things. That is, bluntly, Blastwings are low risk, high reward, and unscoutable. So one of these aspects should change, IMO.
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[i]One of those is not like the others[/i]. Or, rather one of the non-historical things here is a lot like one of the historical things. That is, bluntly, Blastwings are low risk, high reward, and unscoutable. So one of these aspects should change, IMO.
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