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1 Personally, this is what I'd change for each of the current factories: 1 Personally, this is what I'd change for each of the current factories:
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3 - Cloakbots: [spoiler]Personally, I think the Cloakbots underutilize their stealth capabilities. Although this might've been done for the sake of making them a beginner-friendly faction of units for beginners to start off with, I personally suspect that ( aside from, perhaps, the Iris) beginners don't care about utilizing the Cloakbots' cloaked units' strengths well enough to warrant keeping them and the non-cloaked units in the same factory. Sure, beginners might develop an understanding of how the more basic units, like the Glaive, Ronin, Reaver, and Knight, work, along with an appreciation for them, and sure, beginners might see some use out of Phantoms or Gremlins, not to mention frequent use of Conjurers, I suspect that those players simply wouldn't care about the very self-cloaking capabilities that those cloaked units possess to want to use, say, Conjurers, Phantoms, and Gremlins over their non-self-cloaking counterparts, like, say, Welders, Lances, and Vandals respectively. 3 - Cloakbots: [spoiler]Personally, I think the Cloakbots underutilize their stealth capabilities. Although this might've been done for the sake of making them a beginner-friendly faction of units for beginners to start off with, I personally suspect that ( aside from, perhaps, the Iris) beginners wouldn't care about utilizing the Cloakbots' cloaked units' strengths well enough to warrant keeping them and the non-cloaked units in the same factory. Sure, beginners might develop an understanding of how the more basic units, like the Glaive, Ronin, Reaver, and Knight, work, along with an appreciation for them, and sure, beginners might see some use out of Phantoms or Gremlins, not to mention frequent use of Conjurers, I suspect that those players simply wouldn't care about the very self-cloaking capabilities that those cloaked units possess to want to use, say, Conjurers, Phantoms, and Gremlins over their non-self-cloaking counterparts, like, say, Welders, Lances, and Vandals respectively.
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5 Because of this, I'd like to propose changing the Cloakbot Factory's lineup to one consisting mostly, if not entirely, of units with their own self-cloaking devices, with each unit being geared towards taking better advantage of the tactical and strategic options provided by their cloaking devices. (Although the Cloakbot Factory is widely considered to be the factory of choice for newcomers, I believe that their non-cloaking units, such as the Glaive, Ronin, Reaver, and Knight, would be better represented in different factories, whether it's the more straightforward Shieldbots, Rovers, or Tanks, or a new factory concept altogether, such as, say, Spambots.) 5 Because of this, I'd like to propose changing the Cloakbot Factory's lineup to one consisting mostly, if not entirely, of units with their own self-cloaking devices, with each unit being geared towards taking better advantage of the tactical and strategic options provided by their cloaking devices. (Although the Cloakbot Factory is widely considered to be the factory of choice for newcomers, I believe that their non-cloaking units, such as the Glaive, Ronin, Reaver, and Knight, would be better represented in different factories, whether it's the more straightforward Shieldbots, Rovers, or Tanks, or a new factory concept altogether, such as, say, Spambots.)
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9 Some general guidelines for this new Cloakbot factory's doctrine:[spoiler] 9 Some general guidelines for this new Cloakbot factory's doctrine:[spoiler]
10 - 1. All units must possess their own cloaking device (to fit with the general stealth theme). 10 - 1. All units must possess their own cloaking device (to fit with the general stealth theme).
11 - 2. Try to keep costs reasonably low, but not necessarily low enough to be considered a spammer faction. (If low-cost cloaking turns out to be a balancing issue, then they could be made more expensive without necessarily buffing any of their other stats to balance them out.) 11 - 2. Try to keep costs reasonably low, but not necessarily low enough to be considered a spammer faction. (If low-cost cloaking turns out to be a balancing issue, then they could be made more expensive without necessarily buffing any of their other stats to balance them out.)
12 - 3. High damage-per-shot and/or splash damage is recommended, while rate-of-fire should preferably be kept low (to keep costs down, and encourage more spamming), since burst damage is more valuable for cloaked units, who would most likely have the initiative over their enemies. 12 - 3. High damage-per-shot and/or splash damage is recommended, while rate-of-fire should preferably be kept low (to keep costs down, and encourage more spamming), since burst damage is more valuable for cloaked units, who would most likely have the initiative over their enemies.
13 - 4. HP should be kept relatively low to not only keep costs down, but also to ensure that enemies have a fighting chance at punishing those cloaked units that dare to reveal themselves within striking range. 13 - 4. HP should be kept relatively low to not only keep costs down, but also to ensure that enemies have a fighting chance at punishing those cloaked units that dare to reveal themselves within striking range.
14 - 5. Speed and range are not high priorities, even for countering skirmishers or artillery, since cloaking helps ensure that slower, shorter-ranged units can sneak up to faster, longer-ranged enemies before being noticed. (Lack of speed and range also means that de-cloaked units can be punished more harshly. However, if a lack of speed is a serious balancing concern, then perhaps units could be given quirks where they gain speed boosts while de-cloaked?) 14 - 5. Speed and range are not high priorities, even for countering skirmishers or artillery, since cloaking helps ensure that slower, shorter-ranged units can sneak up to faster, longer-ranged enemies before being noticed. (Lack of speed and range also means that de-cloaked units can be punished more harshly. However, if a lack of speed is a serious balancing concern, then perhaps units could be given quirks where they gain speed boosts while de-cloaked?)
15 - 6. Preferably, each unit's weapon's projectiles must hit their targets instantaneously (so beams and high-velocity projectiles are preferable for non-melee units), since de-cloaking gives enemies a brief opportunity to return fire. The only exceptions to this rule are if firing doesn't break cloak (such as with the Phantom), or if the unit is a suicide unit (such as the Scuttle). 15 - 6. Preferably, each unit's weapon's projectiles must hit their targets instantaneously (so beams and high-velocity projectiles are preferable for non-melee units), since de-cloaking gives enemies a brief opportunity to return fire. The only exceptions to this rule are if firing doesn't break cloak (such as with the Phantom), or if the unit is a suicide unit (such as the Scuttle).
16 - 7. Status effects are greatly discouraged, since this faction's doctrine emphasizes hit-and-run burst-fire tactics, and does not necessarily have the tools needed to capitalize on those status effects. Also because de-cloaking gives enemies a brief opportunity to return fire. (The only status effects that are exempt from this ruling are damage-over-time effects, but even then, only for use by suicide units.)[/spoiler] 16 - 7. Status effects are greatly discouraged, since this faction's doctrine emphasizes hit-and-run burst-fire tactics, and does not necessarily have the tools needed to capitalize on those status effects. Also because de-cloaking gives enemies a brief opportunity to return fire. (The only status effects that are exempt from this ruling are damage-over-time effects, but even then, only for use by suicide units.)[/spoiler]
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20 Units that I'd add:[spoiler] 20 Units that I'd add:[spoiler]
21 - Rebel (cheap cloaked scout/infiltration unit, replaces Glaive and Scythe): [spoiler]Designed as a replacement for both the Glaive (whose hit-and-run design concept I believe would fit in better with the Shieldbots or Tanks due to its focus on speed, regeneration, and high rate-of-fire instead of stealth and burst damage) and the Scythe (which I personally find to be too expensive for what it's worth), the Rebel is basically a cheaper, downgraded Scythe that could serve as not only an infiltration unit (similar to the Scythe), but also in the same kinds of dirt-cheap scouting roles that the Flea, Dart, Puppy, and Dirtbag would all serve in. While it would be made much cheaper than the Scythe (possibly no more expensive than a Glaive), it would also have its dps and (especially) HP nerfed to the point where sending them in to infiltrate and assault enemy bases would become even more of a suicide mission than it already is with the Scythe. 21 - Rebel (cheap cloaked scout/infiltration unit, replaces Glaive and Scythe): [spoiler]Designed as a replacement for both the Glaive (whose hit-and-run design concept I believe would fit in better with the Shieldbots or Tanks due to its focus on speed, regeneration, and high rate-of-fire instead of stealth and burst damage) and the Scythe (which I personally find to be too expensive for what it's worth), the Rebel is basically a cheaper, downgraded Scythe that could serve as not only an infiltration unit (similar to the Scythe), but also in the same kinds of dirt-cheap scouting roles that the Flea, Dart, Puppy, and Dirtbag would all serve in. While it would be made much cheaper than the Scythe (possibly no more expensive than a Glaive), it would also have its dps and (especially) HP nerfed to the point where sending them in to infiltrate and assault enemy bases would become even more of a suicide mission than it already is with the Scythe.
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23 However, since speed isn't all that necessary for a faction that specializes in stealth, yet could still be desirable for scouting purposes (and in the event that the unit's stealth is compromised), perhaps we could also give the Rebel a special quirk to it: While this Scythe replacement could be given a speed as high as any other scout unit like the Flea or Dart (possibly even higher due to the Rebel's and Scythe's lack of range), this would only apply while the Rebel is uncloaked and not attacking. While cloaked or attacking, the Rebel's speed would be quite slow (like, say, as slow as 40 elmo/s). This would ensure that, while the Rebel could stealthily intercept enemy skirmishers and artillery decently enough (since skirmishers and artillery tend to be rather slow themselves), and while groups of them might be hard-hitting-enough to be able to swiftly tear apart any raiders that recklessly stumble upon them, once the Rebel is de-cloaked, it's going to have trouble escaping from enemies that it can't deal with while out in the open.[/spoiler] 23 However, since speed isn't all that necessary for a faction that specializes in stealth, yet could still be desirable for scouting purposes (and in the event that the unit's stealth is compromised), perhaps we could also give the Rebel a special quirk to it: While this Scythe replacement could be given a speed as high as any other scout unit like the Flea or Dart (possibly even higher due to the Rebel's and Scythe's lack of range), this would only apply while the Rebel is uncloaked and not attacking. While cloaked or attacking, the Rebel's speed would be quite slow (like, say, as slow as 40 elmo/s). This would ensure that, while the Rebel could stealthily intercept enemy skirmishers and artillery decently enough (since skirmishers and artillery tend to be rather slow themselves), and while groups of them might be hard-hitting-enough to be able to swiftly tear apart any raiders that recklessly stumble upon them, once the Rebel is de-cloaked, it's going to have trouble escaping from enemies that it can't deal with while out in the open.[/spoiler]
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25 - Guerilla (cloaked skirmisher, replaces Ronin): [spoiler]Replacing the Ronin (which I personally find to be uninteresting compared to other, more useful skirmishers like the Rogue, Buoy, or Moderator, and which would, in my opinion, fit in better with a more spammer-oriented faction with an emphasis on mutual support), is the Guerilla, a more befitting cloaked skirmisher that, basically, performs like a cheaper Moderator, with an instant-hit weapon that gives the Guerilla the ability to capitalize on its initiative whilst minimizing the chances that enemies will be able to counterattack when the Guerilla de-cloaks while firing. However, compared to the Moderator, the Guerilla's weapon would only deal damage comparable to a Ronin, without any additional status effects. Moreover, the Guerilla's range would be among the lowest of any skirmisher (as low as, say, 400 elmos), and its speed would also be rather unimpressive, with both stats just barely high enough for it to reliably kite enemy riot units, such as the Mace or Ogre, and slower assault units, such as the Knight and Thug. (Like the Rebel, the Guerilla could be given a speed boost while de-cloaked, but only if a lack of speed, or having too much speed for a cloaked skirmisher, is a serious balancing concern.)[/spoiler] 25 - Guerilla (cloaked skirmisher, replaces Ronin): [spoiler]Replacing the Ronin (which I personally find to be uninteresting compared to other, more useful skirmishers like the Rogue, Buoy, or Moderator, and which would, in my opinion, fit in better with a more spammer-oriented faction with an emphasis on mutual support), is the Guerilla, a more befitting cloaked skirmisher that, basically, performs like a cheaper Moderator, with an instant-hit weapon that gives the Guerilla the ability to capitalize on its initiative whilst minimizing the chances that enemies will be able to counterattack when the Guerilla de-cloaks while firing. However, compared to the Moderator, the Guerilla's weapon would only deal damage comparable to a Ronin, without any additional status effects. Moreover, the Guerilla's range would be among the lowest of any skirmisher (as low as, say, 400 elmos), and its speed would also be rather unimpressive, with both stats just barely high enough for it to reliably kite enemy riot units, such as the Mace or Ogre, and slower assault units, such as the Knight and Thug. (Like the Rebel, the Guerilla could be given a speed boost while de-cloaked, but only if a lack of speed, or having too much speed for a cloaked skirmisher, is a serious balancing concern.)[/spoiler]
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27 - Partisan (cloaked aoe riot unit, replaces Reaver): [spoiler]Personally, I feel that, even if given a cloaking device, the Reaver's concept as an anti-swarm unit just wouldn't fit in well with the Cloakbots, since I believe that burst damage is far more useful and important for a faction that specializes in stealth than rapid-firing capabilities. (In fact, I'd argue that a powerhouse faction like the Tanks would benefit more from such a concept than a subversive guerilla faction like the Cloakbots.) 27 - Partisan (cloaked aoe riot unit, replaces Reaver): [spoiler]Personally, I feel that, even if given a cloaking device, the Reaver's concept as an anti-swarm unit just wouldn't fit in well with the Cloakbots, since I believe that burst damage is far more useful and important for a faction that specializes in stealth than rapid-firing capabilities. (In fact, I'd argue that a powerhouse faction like the Tanks would benefit more from such a concept than a subversive guerilla faction like the Cloakbots.)
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29 In the Reaver's place, I'd like to propose the Partisan, a riot unit with more of a focus on aoe burst damage (like the Ripper or Ogre). Much like the real-life irregular force that it's named after, the Partisan would remain cloaked until enemy units stumble into range, where it could then launch a potent aoe attack at a rate of, say, no frequently than once per 2.5 seconds, and with enough damage to kill, say, a Duck in 1 hit, and a Kodachi in 2 hits, but not necessarily a Scorcher in 1 hit. Moreover, as far as riot units would be concerned, the Partisan would have rather low HP (as low as, say, 600 HP). These stats would be balanced out by making the Partisan a bit cheaper to build compared to most other riot units (unless the ability to cloak is OP enough to warrant not making it any cheaper).[/spoiler] 29 In the Reaver's place, I'd like to propose the Partisan, a riot unit with more of a focus on aoe burst damage (like the Ripper or Ogre). Much like the real-life irregular force that it's named after, the Partisan would remain cloaked until enemy units stumble into range, where it could then launch a potent aoe attack at a rate of, say, no frequently than once per 2.5 seconds, and with enough damage to kill, say, a Duck in 1 hit, and a Kodachi in 2 hits, but not necessarily a Scorcher in 1 hit. Moreover, as far as riot units would be concerned, the Partisan would have rather low HP (as low as, say, 600 HP). These stats would be balanced out by making the Partisan a bit cheaper to build compared to most other riot units (unless the ability to cloak is OP enough to warrant not making it any cheaper).[/spoiler]
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31 - Renegade (cloaked anti-heavy/assault unit, replaces Knight): [spoiler]As much as I like the concept behind the Knight (a slow tanky unit with relatively short range, but an instant-hit weapon that can stun enemies, making it especially effective against high-weight raiders), I feel that stunning enemies (or applying status effects in general) just wouldn't fit with the modus-operandi of a hit-and-run guerilla faction like the Cloakbots. Personally, I feel that, like with the Reaver, such a unit concept would've fit in better with a powerhouse brute faction like the Tanks. 31 - Renegade (cloaked anti-heavy/assault unit, replaces Knight): [spoiler]As much as I like the concept behind the Knight (a slow tanky unit with relatively short range, but an instant-hit weapon that can stun enemies, making it especially effective against high-weight raiders), I feel that stunning enemies (or applying status effects in general) just wouldn't fit with the modus-operandi of a hit-and-run guerilla faction like the Cloakbots. Personally, I feel that, like with the Reaver, such a unit concept would've fit in better with a powerhouse brute faction like the Tanks.
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33 In the Knight's place, I'd like to propose the Renegade, a unit that's a bit better at killing its enemies more quickly, especially for its relatively low cost. Drawing inspiration from the Brotherhood of Nod's Stealth Tanks, specifically from Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars (where their rocket salvos could bring down even GDI's Mammoth Tanks in a couple seconds), the Renegade would possess a cloaking device for sneaking up close to its enemies (including skirmishers and artillery, which could otherwise kite the slow Renegade to death), and a salvo of four powerful rockets that could bring down a Stinger in just a couple volleys. Unfortunately, these rockets would have a short range (as is typical of assault units), and would take a while to reload (though not as long as, say, a Lance or Phantom), which would leave the Renegade susceptible to a counterattack. Moreover, in order to achieve this much firepower without necessarily making the Renegade much more expensive than the Knight, it's HP would've been reduced to no more than half of the Knight's HP, so that it could be able to survive no more than 1 shot from a Stinger.[/spoiler] 33 In the Knight's place, I'd like to propose the Renegade, a unit that's a bit better at killing its enemies more quickly, especially for its relatively low cost. Drawing inspiration from the Brotherhood of Nod's Stealth Tanks, specifically from Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars (where their rocket salvos could bring down even GDI's Mammoth Tanks in a couple seconds), the Renegade would possess a cloaking device for sneaking up close to its enemies (including skirmishers and artillery, which could otherwise kite the slow Renegade to death), and a salvo of four powerful rockets that could bring down a Stinger in just a couple volleys. Unfortunately, these rockets would have a short range (as is typical of assault units), and would take a while to reload (though not as long as, say, a Lance or Phantom), which would leave the Renegade susceptible to a counterattack. Moreover, in order to achieve this much firepower without necessarily making the Renegade much more expensive than the Knight, it's HP would've been reduced to no more than half of the Knight's HP, so that it could be able to survive no more than 1 shot from a Stinger.[/spoiler]
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35 - Usurper (cloaked mine-laying artillery unit, replaces Sling): [spoiler]Since more specialized base-assaulting artillery units like the Sling and Impaler generally don't seem all that appealing to use compared to more flexible and valuable fire-support artillery units like the Badger, Lance, and Firewalker, I'd like to propose swapping the Sling out for the Usurper, which is basically a Badger with a cloaking device (since the Badger's ability to lay self-cloaking mines from a distance seems to fit in well with the Cloakbots' modus-operandi of stealth and guile, and since giving the Usurper a similar weapon would befit its name of usurping territory from the enemy). Since speed and range aren't high priorities for cloaked units like the Usurper, it wouldn't mind having its range lowered down to, say, 700 elmos, and it could optionally be forced to not only de-cloak when firing, but also to stand still while firing (like the Fencer), so that it would have trouble kiting enemy skirmishers. As an added anti-stealth bonus, the Usurper's mines could apply a damage-over-time effect on any enemy units that move too close to them, preventing any cloaked units among them from re-cloaking until the damage-over-time status effect wears off.[/spoiler] 35 - Usurper (cloaked mine-laying artillery unit, replaces Sling): [spoiler]Since more specialized base-assaulting artillery units like the Sling and Impaler generally don't seem all that appealing to use compared to more flexible and valuable fire-support artillery units like the Badger, Lance, and Firewalker, I'd like to propose swapping the Sling out for the Usurper, which is basically a Badger with a cloaking device (since the Badger's ability to lay self-cloaking mines from a distance seems to fit in well with the Cloakbots' modus-operandi of stealth and guile, and since giving the Usurper a similar weapon would befit its name of usurping territory from the enemy). Since speed and range aren't high priorities for cloaked units like the Usurper, it wouldn't mind having its range lowered down to, say, 700 elmos, and it could optionally be forced to not only de-cloak when firing, but also to stand still while firing (like the Fencer), so that it would have trouble kiting enemy skirmishers. As an added anti-stealth bonus, the Usurper's mines could apply a damage-over-time effect on any enemy units that move too close to them, preventing any cloaked units among them from re-cloaking until the damage-over-time status effect wears off.[/spoiler]
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37 - Hooligan (cloaked burst-fire anti-air unit, replaces Gremlin): [spoiler]Basically, the Hooligan is what you'd get if you replaced the Gremlin's rapid-firing lasers with a single-shot anti-air laser cannon that can do, say, at least 100 damage-per-shot (enough to down a Swift in 3 shots), but has a long reload rate of, say, 4 seconds, and a range no higher than, say, 750 elmos (to keep costs down).[/spoiler] 37 - Hooligan (cloaked burst-fire anti-air unit, replaces Gremlin): [spoiler]Basically, the Hooligan is what you'd get if you replaced the Gremlin's rapid-firing lasers with a single-shot anti-air laser cannon that can do, say, at least 100 damage-per-shot (enough to down a Swift in 3 shots), but has a long reload rate of, say, 4 seconds, and a range no higher than, say, 750 elmos (to keep costs down).[/spoiler]
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39 - Martyr (cloaked incendiary bomb, replaces Imp): [spoiler]Replacing the Imp EMP bomb (which I believe would fit in more with less stealth-oriented ranger factions such as Rovers or Hovers) would be the Martyr, a crawling incendiary bomb that could remain cloaked, even while moving (much like the Skuttle), and could sacrifice itself to explode into a large pool of napalm to wear down groups of enemies more efficiently than a Snitch.[/spoiler] 39 - Martyr (cloaked incendiary bomb, replaces Imp): [spoiler]Replacing the Imp EMP bomb (which I believe would fit in more with less stealth-oriented ranger factions such as Rovers or Hovers) would be the Martyr, a crawling incendiary bomb that could remain cloaked, even while moving (much like the Skuttle), and could sacrifice itself to explode into a large pool of napalm to wear down groups of enemies more efficiently than a Snitch.[/spoiler]
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41 - Ferret (cloaked anti-stealth mine layer, replaces Iris): [spoiler]With all of the units in this new factory possessing stealth capabilities, there doesn't seem to be much of a need for the Iris, at least for the units from this factory. However, since the Iris's field-cloaking capabilities see much use with units outside of the Cloakbot Factory, I'd much rather want to move it to a different factory altogether. (On second thought, I'd want to add different counterparts to the Iris to multiple factories, since it seems too universally useful to not warrant sticking it to just a single factory.) 41 - Ferret (cloaked anti-stealth mine layer, replaces Iris): [spoiler]With all of the units in this new factory possessing stealth capabilities, there doesn't seem to be much of a need for the Iris, at least for the units from this factory. However, since the Iris's field-cloaking capabilities see much use with units outside of the Cloakbot Factory, I'd much rather want to move it to a different factory altogether. (On second thought, I'd want to add different counterparts to the Iris to multiple factories, since it seems too universally useful to not warrant sticking it to just a single factory.)
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43 Taking the Iris's place is the Ferret, a cloaked mine-laying unit that's designed as a countermeasure to enemy stealth units. It operates in a similar manner to the Outlaw, in that it creates disruption pulses that slow enemies within a significant radius, revealing them if cloaked, whilst leaving friendly units untouched. However, the Ferret one-ups the Outlaw in that it drops disruption mines, which detonate (with a blast radius of, say, 150) after, say, 5 seconds, all whilst remaining cloaked (much like the Phantom), preventing enemies from pinpointing its position for a counterattack.[/spoiler] 43 Taking the Iris's place is the Ferret, a cloaked mine-laying unit that's designed as a countermeasure to enemy stealth units. It operates in a similar manner to the Outlaw, in that it creates disruption pulses that slow enemies within a significant radius, revealing them if cloaked, whilst leaving friendly units untouched. However, the Ferret one-ups the Outlaw in that it drops disruption mines, which detonate (with a blast radius of, say, 150) after, say, 5 seconds, all whilst remaining cloaked (much like the Phantom), preventing enemies from pinpointing its position for a counterattack.[/spoiler]
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45 - Informant (cloaked mobile radar, also replaces Iris): [spoiler]Aside from the Iris, the Owl seemed to be one of the most invaluable units for any army to have, regardless of composition. Because of this, I'd like to try to include similar units for every factory type, starting with the Informant, a scout unit equipped with not only a personal cloaking device (as with the other Cloakbots), but also with a field radar with a range of, say, 1200 elmos for deep scouting purposes.[/spoiler][/spoiler] 45 - Informant (cloaked mobile radar, also replaces Iris): [spoiler]Aside from the Iris, the Owl seemed to be one of the most invaluable units for any army to have, regardless of composition. Because of this, I'd like to try to include similar units for every factory type, starting with the Informant, a scout unit equipped with not only a personal cloaking device (as with the other Cloakbots), but also with a field radar with a range of, say, 1200 elmos for deep scouting purposes.[/spoiler][/spoiler]
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49 Units that I'd retain without changing anything about them (aside from perhaps some new names for them):[spoiler] 49 Units that I'd retain without changing anything about them (aside from perhaps some new names for them):[spoiler]
50 - Conjurer (possibly renamed to Insurgent) 50 - Conjurer (possibly renamed to Insurgent)
51 - Phantom (possibly renamed to Hitman)[/spoiler][/spoiler] 51 - Phantom (possibly renamed to Hitman)[/spoiler][/spoiler]
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55 - Shieldbots: [spoiler]Personally, I'd argue that the Shieldbots would be an even better candidate as a beginner-friendly faction concept-wise than the Cloakbots currently are, since their easy access to shields would help with mitigating each of their units' weaknesses (such as the Thug's, Felon's, Aspis's, and even Convict's shields offering protection to nearby Rogues and Bandits, along with eachother). Aside from that, while the Shieldbots' Bandits, Rogues, Thugs, and Felons may not be the best units at what they do, they aren't too terribly bad in their fields either, and could still hold their own when faced with enemies that could counter them. 55 - Shieldbots: [spoiler]Personally, I'd argue that the Shieldbots would be an even better candidate as a beginner-friendly faction concept-wise than the Cloakbots currently are, since their easy access to shields would help with mitigating each of their units' weaknesses (such as the Thug's, Felon's, Aspis's, and even Convict's shields offering protection to nearby Rogues and Bandits, along with eachother). Aside from that, while the Shieldbots' Bandits, Rogues, Thugs, and Felons may not be the best units at what they do, they aren't too terribly bad in their fields either, and could still hold their own when faced with enemies that could counter them.
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57 Still, I think more could be done to make the Shieldbots even more beginner-friendly. With that in mind, I've opted to redesign the Shieldbot faction into more of a beginner-friendly balanced brute/ranger faction with some generalist characteristics, and a mix of light subversive units and heavy powerhouse units. 57 Still, I think more could be done to make the Shieldbots even more beginner-friendly. With that in mind, I've opted to redesign the Shieldbot faction into more of a beginner-friendly balanced brute/ranger faction with some generalist characteristics, and a mix of light subversive units and heavy powerhouse units.
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61 Some general guidelines for this new Shieldbot factory's doctrine:[spoiler] 61 Some general guidelines for this new Shieldbot factory's doctrine:[spoiler]
62 - 1. All units must possess their own shield (to fit with the general theme of offering protection towards eachother). There are exceptions, but only if the non-shielded unit has another means of offering protection towards its fellow units (such as a cloaking field). 62 - 1. All units must possess their own shield (to fit with the general theme of offering protection towards eachother). There are exceptions, but only if the non-shielded unit has another means of offering protection towards its fellow units (such as a cloaking field).
63 - 2. Since this is meant to be a more balanced beginner-friendly faction, low-cost units will focus on burst damage (high damage-per-shot, low rate-of-fire), while more expensive units will focus on sustained firepower (high damage-per-second, high rate-of-fire.) 63 - 2. Since this is meant to be a more balanced beginner-friendly faction, low-cost units will focus on burst damage (high damage-per-shot, low rate-of-fire), while more expensive units will focus on sustained firepower (high damage-per-second, high rate-of-fire.)
64 - 3. Give each frontline unit (including raiders, riots, and assaults) their own shield gun, so that, in addition to giving them some additional firepower whenever they get into a knife-fight against enemies, their shield energy won't go to waste in the event they come face-to-face with an enemy that doesn't fight back (such as a lone mex or power plant). 64 - 3. Give each frontline unit (including raiders, riots, and assaults) their own shield gun, so that, in addition to giving them some additional firepower whenever they get into a knife-fight against enemies, their shield energy won't go to waste in the event they come face-to-face with an enemy that doesn't fight back (such as a lone mex or power plant).
65 - 4. Make sure that each unit with a shield gun has another weapon to fall back onto, since combat analysis has shown that even the best-shielded units can and will have their shields depleted when they come under fire. 65 - 4. Make sure that each unit with a shield gun has another weapon to fall back onto, since combat analysis has shown that even the best-shielded units can and will have their shields depleted when they come under fire.
66 - 5. Status effects are generally discouraged for combat units in general (in an effort to avoid overcomplicating this faction to the point where it's rendered not-so-beginner-friendly), whereas damage mods (such as piercing and damage reduction over distances) are permitted where they'd make sense for the unit's role in question. 66 - 5. Status effects are generally discouraged for combat units in general (in an effort to avoid overcomplicating this faction to the point where it's rendered not-so-beginner-friendly), whereas damage mods (such as piercing and damage reduction over distances) are permitted where they'd make sense for the unit's role in question.
67 - 6. Keep each unit's shield-to-health ratio at 1:3 or more due to balancing concerns. The Aegis is an exception.[/spoiler] 67 - 6. Keep each unit's shield-to-health ratio at 1:3 or more due to balancing concerns. The Aegis is an exception.[/spoiler]
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71 Units that I'd add: [spoiler] 71 Units that I'd add: [spoiler]
72 - Officer (cheap shielded scout/riot unit, replaces Dirtbag): [spoiler]Yes, this is another unit concept that's similar to the Legionnaire's concept (which I 1st talked about [url=http://zero-k.info/Forum/Post/182401#182401]here[/url]) as a slow and short-ranged but cheap unit that could pull double-duty as both an early-game scout and as an anti-raider riot unit when used en-masse (similar to basic infantry units from other rts games, such as from any of the Command & Conquer games, or the Space Marines from StarCraft), but I believe it to be a solid unit concept that I'm kind of disappointed to find absent from this game (since it seems like a missed opportunity). 72 - Officer (cheap shielded scout/riot unit, replaces Dirtbag): [spoiler]Yes, this is another unit concept that's similar to the Legionnaire's concept (which I 1st talked about [url=http://zero-k.info/Forum/Post/182401#182401]here[/url]) as a slow and short-ranged but cheap unit that could pull double-duty as both an early-game scout and as an anti-raider riot unit when used en-masse (similar to basic infantry units from other rts games, such as from any of the Command & Conquer games, or the Space Marines from StarCraft), but I believe it to be a solid unit concept that I'm kind of disappointed to find absent from this game (since it seems like a missed opportunity).
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74 Anyways, this particular unit, which would replace the gimmicky Dirtbag (which would've probably seen more love within the Spider Factory), would come with a weak personal shield (with, say, 50 HP) to prolong its otherwise frail existence (of, say, 150 HP), and to help recharge other shielded units, and would be armed with 2 weapons: a light rapid-fire shield gun (with a dps of around, say, 25, and a range of, say, 325 elmos) to allow it to sacrifice some of its shield energy (at a slow rate) for some additional damage, and a light missile launcher (that fires, say, a volley of 4 homing missiles, each with a damage-per-shot value of, say, 50, a cooldown time of, say, 4 seconds, and a range of, say, 350 elmos) to serve as a backup weapon in case the Officer's shields are too depleted to be able to use its shield gun.[/spoiler] 74 Anyways, this particular unit, which would replace the gimmicky Dirtbag (which would've probably seen more love within the Spider Factory), would come with a weak personal shield (with, say, 50 HP) to prolong its otherwise frail existence (of, say, 150 HP), and to help recharge other shielded units, and would be armed with 2 weapons: a light rapid-fire shield gun (with a dps of around, say, 25, and a range of, say, 325 elmos) to allow it to sacrifice some of its shield energy (at a slow rate) for some additional damage, and a light missile launcher (that fires, say, a volley of 4 homing missiles, each with a damage-per-shot value of, say, 50, a cooldown time of, say, 4 seconds, and a range of, say, 350 elmos) to serve as a backup weapon in case the Officer's shields are too depleted to be able to use its shield gun.[/spoiler]
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76 - Ranger (cheap shielded raider, replaces Bandit): [spoiler]The basic concept behind this unit (which would replace the Bandit) is that it would use its weak but quickly-regenerating personal shield (with, say, 50 HP) to provide a bit of protection for its fragile body (with, say, 150 HP), while it quickly closes the distance (at a similar speed to the Glaive) to use its primary weapon, a shotgun (with a range of, say, 200 elmo), which I'd find to be more ideal than a rapid-firing weapon for lower-weight raiders (which tend to benefit more from a subversive hit-and-run playstyle). It would also carry a weak rapid-firing shield gun (with a range of, say, 150 elmos) as a secondary weapon that it could whip out to finish off badly-damaged enemies, or to use when there's no significant opposition. In this sense, it would function similarly to a Glaive, only with more burst damage (similar to the Dagger and Duck). 76 - Ranger (cheap shielded raider, replaces Bandit): [spoiler]The basic concept behind this unit (which would replace the Bandit) is that it would use its weak but quickly-regenerating personal shield (with, say, 50 HP) to provide a bit of protection for its fragile body (with, say, 150 HP), while it quickly closes the distance (at a similar speed to the Glaive) to use its primary weapon, a shotgun (with a range of, say, 200 elmo), which I'd find to be more ideal than a rapid-firing weapon for lower-weight raiders (which tend to benefit more from a subversive hit-and-run playstyle). It would also carry a weak rapid-firing shield gun (with a range of, say, 150 elmos) as a secondary weapon that it could whip out to finish off badly-damaged enemies, or to use when there's no significant opposition. In this sense, it would function similarly to a Glaive, only with more burst damage (similar to the Dagger and Duck).
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78 To help facilitate the same kind of hit-and-run playstyle as the Glaive without increasing its cost too much, I'd give the Ranger a quirk where its otherwise-slow shield regeneration rate (and possibly, to a lesser extent, it's health regeneration rate as well) is boosted only while outside of combat.[/spoiler] 78 To help facilitate the same kind of hit-and-run playstyle as the Glaive without increasing its cost too much, I'd give the Ranger a quirk where its otherwise-slow shield regeneration rate (and possibly, to a lesser extent, it's health regeneration rate as well) is boosted only while outside of combat.[/spoiler]
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80 - Deputy (shielded skirmisher, replaces Rogue): [spoiler]Simply put, the Deputy is a Rogue with a weak personal shield added on (in exchange for sacrificing some of its health) to support other units.[/spoiler] 80 - Deputy (shielded skirmisher, replaces Rogue): [spoiler]Simply put, the Deputy is a Rogue with a weak personal shield added on (in exchange for sacrificing some of its health) to support other units.[/spoiler]
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82 - Sheriff (shielded riot/assault unit, replaces Felon and Outlaw): [spoiler]Simply put, the Sheriff is a Felon that's been redesigned as a far cheaper, but still high-weight, riot unit (the Shieldbot Factory 2.0's primary high-weight riot unit to be specific, since the Outlaw, well, kinda sucks as a riot unit), with less range, firepower, health, and shield HP (and a weaker shield gun that doesn't drain its shield as quickly). However, to allow it to continue fighting when it loses its shield (which combat tests with the original Felon have proven that it happens quite frequently in the heat of battle), the Sheriff was given a shotgun (similar to the Scallop), which could be useful for not only countering swarms of raiders, but also for assaulting enemy positions.[/spoiler] 82 - Sheriff (shielded riot/assault unit, replaces Felon and Outlaw): [spoiler]Simply put, the Sheriff is a Felon that's been redesigned as a far cheaper, but still high-weight, riot unit (the Shieldbot Factory 2.0's primary high-weight riot unit to be specific, since the Outlaw, well, kinda sucks as a riot unit), with less range, firepower, health, and shield HP (and a weaker shield gun that doesn't drain its shield as quickly). However, to allow it to continue fighting when it loses its shield (which combat tests with the original Felon have proven that it happens quite frequently in the heat of battle), the Sheriff was given a shotgun (similar to the Scallop), which could be useful for not only countering swarms of raiders, but also for assaulting enemy positions.[/spoiler]
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84 - Marshal (shielded raider/assault unit, replaces Thug): [spoiler]Replacing the Thug (which I feel would be too redundant when placed alongside both the Marshal and the Sheriff) is the Marshal, an expensive high-weight raider/fast assault unit with a similar concept to the Blitz and Ravager, where it would use its bulky shield and heavy armor to weather enemy fire while it quickly closes the distance and pounds away at enemies with its combination of a rapid-firing heatray (that does more damage the closer to the target, in a similar manner to the Scorcher's heatray) and a powerful shield cannon that can sacrifice a chunk of the Marshal's shield energy to deliver a hard-hitting blast of energy that, due to its high damage-per-shot and low rate-of-fire, is optimized for use against other high-weight units and structures, but is poor at dealing with cheap lightweight units such as scouts and raiders (and scout/riot units like my Legionnaires).[/spoiler] 84 - Marshal (shielded raider/assault unit, replaces Thug): [spoiler]Replacing the Thug (which I feel would be too redundant when placed alongside both the Marshal and the Sheriff) is the Marshal, an expensive high-weight raider/fast assault unit with a similar concept to the Blitz and Ravager, where it would use its bulky shield and heavy armor to weather enemy fire while it quickly closes the distance and pounds away at enemies with its combination of a rapid-firing heatray (that does more damage the closer to the target, in a similar manner to the Scorcher's heatray) and a powerful shield cannon that can sacrifice a chunk of the Marshal's shield energy to deliver a hard-hitting blast of energy that, due to its high damage-per-shot and low rate-of-fire, is optimized for use against other high-weight units and structures, but is poor at dealing with cheap lightweight units such as scouts and raiders (and scout/riot units like my Legionnaires).[/spoiler]
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86 - Inquisitor (shielded area jammer, blinding support artillery unit, replaces Snitch): [spoiler]In order to give allied Shieldbots an opportunity to sneak closer to enemy units without the assistance of an Iris area-cloaker (which they couldn't use thanks to the fact that active shields prevent cloaking), and in order to flush out enemy units from a safe distance (such as Phantoms, albeit momentarily), not only is the Inquisitor equipped with a wide-area jammer (similar to the Iris, though possibly a bit smaller), but it launches, at a long distance, clusters of small flash bombs (with more spread than a Firewalker) that, while dealing very little damage (equivalent to an Outlaw's Disruption Pulse), can temporarily blind enemies, reducing their line-of-sight to zero. However, even when blinded, units could still detect enemies based upon not only line-of-sight data from allied units that aren't blinded, or from allied radar (which is why the Inquisitor has a radar jammer), but also based upon said enemies' decloak radius. In addition to blinding enemies, or revealing cloaked units (as weapons with large aoe tend to do), but the light pulses from these bomblets can severely weaken enemy shielding due to sheer numbers of projectiles (similar to the Tremor), and could possibly even be useful for smoothing terrain. 86 - Inquisitor (shielded area jammer, blinding support artillery unit, replaces Snitch): [spoiler]In order to give allied Shieldbots an opportunity to sneak closer to enemy units without the assistance of an Iris area-cloaker (which they couldn't use thanks to the fact that active shields prevent cloaking), and in order to flush out enemy units from a safe distance (such as Phantoms, albeit momentarily), not only is the Inquisitor equipped with a wide-area jammer (similar to the Iris, though possibly a bit smaller), but it launches, at a long distance, clusters of small flash bombs (with more spread than a Firewalker) that, while dealing very little damage (equivalent to an Outlaw's Disruption Pulse), can temporarily blind enemies, reducing their line-of-sight to zero. However, even when blinded, units could still detect enemies based upon not only line-of-sight data from allied units that aren't blinded, or from allied radar (which is why the Inquisitor has a radar jammer), but also based upon said enemies' decloak radius. In addition to blinding enemies, or revealing cloaked units (as weapons with large aoe tend to do), but the light pulses from these bomblets can severely weaken enemy shielding due to sheer numbers of projectiles (similar to the Tremor), and could possibly even be useful for smoothing terrain.
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88 Although the Inquisitor unit would come with a shield, like other artillery units, it'd probably still fall easily to any units that manage to close the distance towards them. In fact, its shield would probably see more use in recharging nearby allied units' shields than it would in blocking more than a small amount of counter-battery fire.[/spoiler] 88 Although the Inquisitor unit would come with a shield, like other artillery units, it'd probably still fall easily to any units that manage to close the distance towards them. In fact, its shield would probably see more use in recharging nearby allied units' shields than it would in blocking more than a small amount of counter-battery fire.[/spoiler]
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90 - Executioner (shielded long-range anti-heavy/anti-air artillery unit, replaces Racketeer): [spoiler]The Racketeer seemed too complicated to use to properly fit within a faction with a beginner-friendly generalist doctrine (though the Racketeer's quirkiness could lend itself use within, say, a Spambot Factory with a spammer unit-specialist doctrine). Therefore, I opted to replace the Racketeer with a more beginner-friendly artillery unit that, while more expensive, is actually able to deal hefty amounts of damage to enemy units with its long-range hard-hitting homing missiles, which could target both ground and air units, and hit with about the force of (and with possibly the same sound effects as) an Artemis, albeit with a painfully-slow rate of fire (as is typical of long-range anti-heavy artillery units like the Lance and Phantom). 90 - Executioner (shielded long-range anti-heavy/anti-air artillery unit, replaces Racketeer): [spoiler]The Racketeer seemed too complicated to use to properly fit within a faction with a beginner-friendly generalist doctrine (though the Racketeer's quirkiness could lend itself use within, say, a Spambot Factory with a spammer unit-specialist doctrine). Therefore, I opted to replace the Racketeer with a more beginner-friendly artillery unit that, while more expensive, is actually able to deal hefty amounts of damage to enemy units with its long-range hard-hitting homing missiles, which could target both ground and air units, and hit with about the force of (and with possibly the same sound effects as) an Artemis, albeit with a painfully-slow rate of fire (as is typical of long-range anti-heavy artillery units like the Lance and Phantom).
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92 Unfortunately, like other anti-heavy artillery units like the Lance and Phantom, the Executioner would suffer from slow speed, low HP, and a general tendency to overkill cheaper weaker units, especially raiders. Heck, despite carrying a shield, like the Inquisitor's shield, it would probably see more use in recharging nearby allied units' shields than it would in blocking more than a small amount of counter-battery fire.[/spoiler] 92 Unfortunately, like other anti-heavy artillery units like the Lance and Phantom, the Executioner would suffer from slow speed, low HP, and a general tendency to overkill cheaper weaker units, especially raiders. Heck, despite carrying a shield, like the Inquisitor's shield, it would probably see more use in recharging nearby allied units' shields than it would in blocking more than a small amount of counter-battery fire.[/spoiler]
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94 - Watchman (shielded anti-air unit, replaces Vandal): [spoiler]This is just a tweaked Vandal with a weak personal shield that can provide shield-sharing assistance to other units when it's not busy shooting down aircraft.[/spoiler] 94 - Watchman (shielded anti-air unit, replaces Vandal): [spoiler]This is just a tweaked Vandal with a weak personal shield that can provide shield-sharing assistance to other units when it's not busy shooting down aircraft.[/spoiler]
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96 - Detective (shielded mobile radar/area de-cloaker, replaces Outlaw)[spoiler]Although the Inquisitor could reveal enemy stealth units with its bomblets, it's still susceptible towards sneak attacks, since it has a long reload time, and since it needs to actively target an area for bombardment (like the Badger, Firewalker, and Tremor). However, as poor as it may be at killing off high-weight raiders, the classic Outlaw doesn't have this vulnerability, and neither does its successor, the Detective. 96 - Detective (shielded mobile radar/area de-cloaker, replaces Outlaw)[spoiler]Although the Inquisitor could reveal enemy stealth units with its bomblets, it's still susceptible towards sneak attacks, since it has a long reload time, and since it needs to actively target an area for bombardment (like the Badger, Firewalker, and Tremor). However, as poor as it may be at killing off high-weight raiders, the classic Outlaw doesn't have this vulnerability, and neither does its successor, the Detective.
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98 In addition to retaining the Outlaw's disruption pulsar, the Detective comes with more utilitarian options than the Outlaw, such as a light personal shield (as with the other Shieldbots), and, more notably, a field radar with a range of, say, 1350 elmo, which would allow the Detective to give allied artillery units, such as Inquisitors and Executioners, valid targets for attack as the main force changes position.[/spoiler][/spoiler] 98 In addition to retaining the Outlaw's disruption pulsar, the Detective comes with more utilitarian options than the Outlaw, such as a light personal shield (as with the other Shieldbots), and, more notably, a field radar with a range of, say, 1350 elmo, which would allow the Detective to give allied artillery units, such as Inquisitors and Executioners, valid targets for attack as the main force changes position.[/spoiler][/spoiler]
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102 Units that I'd retain without changing anything about them (aside from perhaps some new names for them):[spoiler] 102 Units that I'd retain without changing anything about them (aside from perhaps some new names for them):[spoiler]
103 - Convict (possibly renamed to Warden) 103 - Convict (possibly renamed to Warden)
104 - Aspis (no rename necessary)[/spoiler][/spoiler] 104 - Aspis (no rename necessary)[/spoiler][/spoiler]
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108 - Rovers: (To be determined) 108 - Rovers: (To be determined)
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112 - Tanks: [spoiler]1st of all, since tanks are tough and durable, I'd like to focus on ways of taking advantage of that toughness, such as focusing on high sustained firepower over burst damage (so high damage-per-second and rate-of-fire would be preferable to high damage-per-shot). Moreover, since tanks are capable of moving relatively quickly, despite their heavy weight, I'd like to focus a little more on their potential ability to not only be tough, but also fast. Therefore, while I'd like to keep their focus on quality over quantity, I'd also like to change their focus from a strict brute-force faction to more of a generalist faction, with a mix of fast light tanks with a ranger focus, and longer-ranged and hard-hitting medium and heavy tanks with a siege focus.
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116 Some general guidelines for this new Tank factory's doctrine:[spoiler]
117 - 1. All units must be reasonably tanky, even if this must come at the cost of making them more expensive, or inflict less damage-per-second-per-cost, compared to other factories' units. As such, most tanks should ideally be capable of withstanding single volleys from equivalent-cost units that rely upon burst damage, so that they could hopefully punish their adversaries with their superior sustained firepower. (For example, artillery units of equivalent cost to a Lance must be able to take a hit from a Lance).
118 - 2. To take advantage of their high tankiness, all units would focus more on sustained firepower over burst damage. Thus, their units would have high rate-of-fire and damage-per-second values compared to other factories' units, but would come at the cost of having low damage-per-shot values.
119 - 3. Lighter tanks would focus on maintaining high speed (including any skirmishers), since they would typically lack the strength needed to overcome other factories' slower units' raw firepower-per-cost. They would therefore most likely be raider/assault tanks or raider/skirmisher tanks.
120 - 4. Medium tanks would focus heavily on range to offset their light armor. They would therefore most likely be precision or saturation artillery tanks.
121 - 5. Heavier tanks would focus on providing support for other lighter units, such as using their superior armor to shrug off firepower, massacring enemy hordes with powerful rapid-firing weapons, or providing a wide benefit of support abilities (such as cloaking, radar coverage, and anti-stealth capabilities).
122 - 6. Weapons that inflict disarm or emp damage are generally encouraged for lighter anti-swarm units (to save on costs, albeit at the price of making them less effective against heavier units), while weapons that gradually deal more damage over time are generally encouraged for anti-heavy units (also, to save on costs without necessarily dampening their ability to bring down heavier units, albeit at the price of reducing their effectiveness against lighter units). For heavier anti-swarm units, however, status effects are discouraged (to maximize their ability to quickly kill enemy units that close within range).[/spoiler]
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126 Units that I'd add: [spoiler]
127 - Enforcer (self-replicating/self-evolving raider/riot/assault tank, replaces Blitz and Kodachi): [spoiler]Replacing the Blitz in the main combat role, and the Kodachi in the fast anti-swarm role, is the Enforcer, a modified Blitz chassis (with similar health) armed with a lightning shotgun, which is a modified lightning gun that fires in a spread pattern, striking multiple smaller targets in a wide arc, or dealing hefty amounts of damage to individual targets at point-blank range. Like the Blitz's lightning gun, the Enforcer's lightning shotgun deals both normal and emp damage, allowing it to more effectively counter swarms of light units with little additional cost, though unless fielded in large amounts, it has trouble dealing with heavier units.
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129 To further capitalize on the unit's ability to wreak havoc behind enemy lines when a breach is formed (or to further punish enemies for sending fragile units on suicide missions against these units), it was given the Puppy's ability to absorb nearby wreckage, which it could then use to repair itself, upgrade itself with additional firepower, and eventually replicate itself grey-goo style. Because of this, not only could it be used to readily deny the enemy wreckage to reclaim (albeit at a slower rate than what constructors can reclaim), but it could, over time, turn a small force of Enforcers into a more substantial force of them.[/spoiler]
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112 - Tanks: ( To be determined) 131 - Suppressor ( anti-heavy raider tank) : [spoiler]With the removal of both the Blitz and the Kodachi in favor of the Enforcer comes a need to fill in the anti-heavy raider gap that was left behind from the removal of the Blitz, which had previously fulfilled that role ( somewhat) . Filling that gap is the Suppressor, a Kodachi tank chassis ( with similar health to the Kodachi, albeit not necessarily with its ability to self-repair) that swaps out the napalm bombs with a continuous harmonic resonance beam cannon that gradually weakens the molecular bonds of the targeted unit, not only dealing a steady stream of damage to the target, but also multiplying the amount of damage they receive from any source. ( Think of it as being like the opposite of damage reduction. ) As a result, while the Suppressor deals too little damage to be of any good use against lightweight units ( such as scouts and raiders) , heavier enemies that are being attacked by Suppressors would often go down quickly, not only from the Suppressor's weapons, but also from other allied units' weapons. [/spoiler]
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133 - Harasser (raider/skirmisher tank, replaces Emissary): [spoiler]An unorthodox unit concept, the Harasser combines the speed of a raider with the range of a skirmisher, where it could not only weather down slower riot and assault units from afar with its fast-firing missile launcher while maintaining an adequate distance, but the homing missiles fired from its weapon would help to ensure that it could even do so against most raiders and fast assault units, and even some aircraft. While such a combination might seem overpowering at 1st, remember that it would most likely come at the cost of being rather expensive, with little firepower-per-cost, to the point where, while it would likely be good at countering enemy raiders and artillery (due to having superior range and speed respectively), it would likely be countered badly by most skirmishers (due to having similar range and inferior firepower-per-cost, despite having superior speed) and fast scouts (due to having inferior speed and firepower-per-cost, despite having superior range). Moreover, while it could kite slow riot and assault units into oblivion, slower skirmishers could do so in a faster, more cost-effective manner (and, besides, if said riots or assaults were cloaked, then the Harasser would fare even worse compared to most other skirmishers).[/spoiler]
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135 - Swarmer (drone-carrying tank): [spoiler]One of the most notable weaknesses inherent with tanks is their universal vulnerability to heavy anti-tank weapons that could efficiently penetrate their heavy armor without necessarily overkilling them by significant margins (such as the ones carried by Lances, Phantoms, and Widows to name a few). The Swarmer attempts to address that problem by sending out small drones to do its dirty work from a safe distance from enemies (similar to the Funnelweb and Reef, though with no more than 2 drones per tank), preferably while cloaked by a friendly area-cloaker (or hiding behind a hill). Said drones could possibly even be simple ground vehicles, as opposed to the flying drones used by the Funnelweb or Reef.[/spoiler]
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137 - Overlord (heavy riot/assault tank, replaces Ogre and Minotaur): [spoiler]One of my personal gripes about the Ogre is how much it overkills lighter units. Most raiders have less than 400 HP, and some cheap scouts have less than 100 HP. It's for this reason (combined with a slow fire rate of about 2 seconds) why I'd much rather prefer to use most other riot or anti-swarm units over the Ogre, including Reavers, Maces, Redbacks, Rippers, Archers, Scallops, and yes, even Kodachis.
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139 As for the Minotaur, I'm... not sold about its capabilities. Sure, it has superior range and HP compared to most other assault units, but the entire concept of "assault units" in general, if defined as those units that excel at tanking damage and assaulting enemy strong points, seems rather vague and narrow if you ask me for many reasons:
140 - 1. Artillery units in general, including fire support artillery units that are also useful against enemy units (such as Badgers, Emissaries, and Lances), can often deal with light defenses such as Pickets and Lotus without much hassle (along with raiders), and in moderate numbers, could even bring down heavier defenses such as Stingers or Stardusts without having to worry as much about taking losses as assault units typically would.
141 - 2. Many riot units, particularly the ones that focus on projectile count (such as Reavers, Redbacks, and Scallops) rather than area-of-effect (such as Rippers and Ogres), could arguably take down enemy defenses just as reliably as assault units could, not necessarily because of high HP, but because of sheer firepower. While these riot units might have more trouble reaching their targets before they're destroyed than assault units would, such issues are easy enough to rectify with some support units, such as Irises, Aspises, or even something more gimmicky like the Lobster. (I also have something planned for the tanks. See the Commandant below for more details.)
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143 Now there are assault units that I personally appreciate, such as Knights, Ravagers, Halberds, and Jacks, but it's for reasons other than simply being good at tanking damage and assaulting enemy positions. I appreciate Knights for how well they can efficiently take on higher-weight raiders (such as the Blitz and Kodachi) or faster assault units (such as the Ravager and Halberd), I appreciate Ravagers and Halberds for how fast they can move, which allows them to quickly regroup, cover the map, and take on enemy skirmishers and artillery out in the open (similarly to raiders), and Jacks, well, I can't deny how quickly and efficiently they could murder pretty much anything, from groups of small raiders to massive striders, if allowed to close distance with them. Minotaurs, unfortunately, might be better off redesigned into something with a little more flexibility. (Besides, when playing as tanks, I personally prefer to use Blitzes, Emissaries, and Dantes for many of the same tasks that Minotaurs would be useful for, since Blitzes are pretty durable and hard-hitting themselves (not to mention faster on top of that), while Emissaries are good long-range siege/fire support artillery units, and Dantes are, well, just so much better at making holes in the enemy's frontline thanks to their overwhelming firepower AND durability, even for a unit that costs a little over 4x as much as a Minotaur, and that requires building a strider hub (which costs about the same as a single Minotaur).)
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145 As for what could replace the Ogre and Minotaur, I'm thinking about taking the Minotaur's durable chassis, replacing its twin assault cannons with rapid-firing heavy shotguns (similar to the Corsair and Scallop, though I'd personally aim for no higher than, say, 60 damage-per-projectile to better deal with Fleas without overkilling them), toning down its speed (to, say, less than 50 elmo/s) and possibly even range (such as, say, no higher than 320 elmos) in exchange for even more firepower-per-cost, maybe toning down HP to as low as, say, 4250 in exchange for a reduced cost, and finally, in keeping with the naming themes, I'd rename it as the Overlord. I'd imagine that such a unit would make for a nice escort to protect your bases and artillery units from swarms of fragile raiders, and could still be durable and hard-hitting enough to still be able to assault enemy positions, especially if it's supported by an area cloaker (to make up for its lower speed and range).[/spoiler]
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147 - Commissar (anti-heavy precision artillery tank destroyer): [spoiler]In order to dispatch enemy striders from a safe distance in a cost-effective manner (that is, keeping costs down to about the same as a Lance), the Commissar uses a special kind of tachyon accelerator that fires in a continuous stream instead of a single devastating burst. Although the Commissar needs to be deployed before firing the weapon, and although the weapon needs to charge up before firing, the tachyon stream is continuous, meaning that it could fire forever if desired, and could track fast-moving targets, including aircraft (making it a useful counter towards heavy gunships like the Nimbus or Krow). Moreover, the tachyon stream gradually grows more powerful the longer the weapon is firing at a particular target. However, the stream eventually reaches a cap limit, and the weapon needs to warm up before firing on another target, while the damage bonuses are reset (making it ineffective against smaller units).
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149 To help protect the Commissar from counter-battery fire from enemy artillery units (especially Lances and Phantoms), the Commissar comes with some pretty tough armor for an artillery unit (enough to survive a single attack from a Lance, and possibly a Lucifer).[/spoiler]
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151 - Oppressor (fire support saturation artillery tank, replaces Tremor): [spoiler]The Oppressor is a long-range fire support artillery unit that specializes in peppering swarms of enemy units, especially lighter units that are too fragile and numerous for the Commissar to effectively deal with, with a continuous barrage of high-velocity aoe shells from its battleship-like artillery autocannons. Compared to the Tremor, the Oppressor is cheaper, better armored (enough to survive a hit from an enemy Lance, and maybe a Lucifer), and has a much tighter spread that makes it better at dealing with specific threats, but has less dps-per-cost, and is, therefore, nowhere nearly as good at bringing down enemy shields (and it isn't good at smoothing terrain, that is, if it could even do so).[/spoiler]
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153 - Overseer (long-range burst-fire anti-air tank, replaces Ettin): [spoiler]The Overseer was designed as a cost-effective counter to enemy bombers (which the Ettin seemed to lack the firepower needed to deal with), especially Ravens and Likhos. For this purpose, it could freely stockpile up to 5 long-range missiles (with a range possibly as long as a Chainsaw), which would be enough firepower to not only down a Raven, but to also bring a Likho down to a bit less than half health, and could fire them all off before enemy Ravens can get close enough to drop their bombs on them. (I'm keeping the option open for giving the Likho a chance to reach its target before it could fall to 2 or 3 of these Overseers.) However, like the Artemis, it would take a while to stockpile each new missile (though probably around, say, 5 seconds per missile, as opposed to 20 seconds per missile for the Artemis).[/spoiler]
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155 - Commandant (heavy anti-heavy/anti-stealth/anti-terraform/mobile radar/mobile area-cloaker support tank, replaces Cyclops and Tremor): [spoiler]Due to how dominant lighter units tend to be in most games, it should come as no surprise that some players would want to build heavier units with an anti-light focus, such as the Crab or Dante, right? And because of that (and because durable defenses like Stingers are annoying to get past), it should also come as no surprise that some players would want to build units that could counter said heavy units, such as the Lance or Phantom, right? So why isn't the Cyclops being used as often as Lances or Phantoms (and is currently being discussed within the forums as of late)?
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157 Well, I believe that the reason why very few people would've wanted to build Cyclopses over Lances or Phantoms, even if they would've needed to switch factories to do so, was not only because Lances and Phantoms were so much cheaper than the Cyclops, but also because the Cyclops needed to get close to whatever Dante, Funnelweb, or other problematic strider or heavy unit needed to be dealt with, whereas Lances and Phantoms could've both opted to maintain their distance from said striders or heavy units in question. (That, and their long range had other benefits, like being able to provide covering fire from far away.) In such a case, maybe the concept of a heavy unit with an anti-heavy focus would've been better off being moved to the Strider Hub, where they'd probably see more use should games have somehow progressed to the point where striders were more common? However, there must be some other way to make the concept of an early-mid-game super-heavy tank both viable and attractive, right?
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159 Well, I started thinking about reasons why one would want to build other large and expensive military units in real-life, and I took a look at the kinds of ships that would typically make up the cores of real-life navies, such as dreadnoughts and supercarriers, which could do things that few other ships, if any, could do as well (such as deploying lots of naval fighters, bombers, and scout planes, or bombarding targets from very far away). Inspired, I opted to design a new super-heavy tank with a focus on providing lots of support capabilities to friendly units, including radar, an area-cloaker, the Outlaw's weak anti-stealth disruption pulsar (with range extended past 450 elmos, possibly even up to 600 elmos), a D-gun ability with a very long recharge time, where it launches a miniature Quake missile over a range of, say, 700-800 elmos (to make up for the loss of the Tremor), and maybe even an electro-stunner weapon with a very long recharge time, where it fires numerous paralyzing bolts that could stun even small striders like the Dante (similar to the Widow, only with much longer range (like, say, 450 elmos), and 2 or 3 times the emp damage). Moreover, thanks to its high HP, attempting to bring such an impressive support unit down would not be a quick and easy task, especially when it's being escorted by units with more firepower than it, like, say, Overlords. (On the other hand, without any escorts, bringing down a Commandant would be pretty much an easy, albeit time-consuming, task, especially for higher-weight raiders and fast assault units, since the Commandant lacks any substantial self-defense capabilities of its own (aside from its disruption pulsar, which would probably not be as damaging as, say, the Outlaw's), and is not very maneuverable on top of that.)[/spoiler][/spoiler]
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163 Units that I'd retain without changing anything about them (aside from perhaps some new names for them):[spoiler]
164 - Welder (possibly renamed to Foreman)
165 [/spoiler][/spoiler]
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116 - Hovers: (To be determined) 169 - Hovers: (To be determined)
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120 - Amphbots: (To be determined) 173 - Amphbots: (To be determined)
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124 - Jumpbots: (To be determined) 177 - Jumpbots: (To be determined)
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128 - Spiders: (To be determined) 181 - Spiders: (To be determined)
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132 - Ships: (To be determined) 185 - Ships: (To be determined)
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136 - Gunships: (To be determined) 189 - Gunships: (To be determined)
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140 - Airplanes: (To be determined) 193 - Airplanes: (To be determined)
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144 - Striders: Probably won't talk about them here, since their build options consist of only late-game super-units. 197 - Striders: Probably won't talk about them here, since their build options consist of only late-game super-units.
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148 If you'd like to talk about adding new factories altogether, go here: (To be determined) 201 If you'd like to talk about adding new factories altogether, go here: (To be determined)
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