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[q] If you demand perfect wording every time then you demand that the moderators spend a lot more time doing a thankless task. [/q]
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[q] If you demand perfect wording every time then you demand that the moderators spend a lot more time doing a thankless task. [/q]
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i don`t think that is thankless because without it the whole discussion would have been a lot more fruitful. Neither @Lu5ck nor me doubt that @czesio crossed the lines with teamkilling and and that spam of hostile comments. I don`t "demand" perfect wording either. It is just that the "playing badly" part has spawned a lot of discussion and conflict in the recent past already.
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i don`t think that is thankless because without it the whole discussion would have been a lot more fruitful. Neither @Lu5ck nor me doubt that @czesio crossed the lines with teamkilling and and that spam of hostile comments. I don`t "demand" perfect wording either. It is just that the "playing badly" part has spawned a lot of discussion and conflict in the recent past already.
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(Btw, @Lu5ck was is @czesio's team in that game)
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(Btw, @Lu5ck was is @czesio's team in that game)
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[q] Making your case with relation to GBrankczesio will just make your argument look terrible. [/q]
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[q] Making your case with relation to GBrankczesio will just make your argument look terrible. [/q]
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completely agree and support.
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completely agree and support.
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If the position of the admin-team towards the way clusterfucks are regulated is completely unquestionable (unquestionable things being problematic in general imho, but anyway), then be it so. Still, this creates at least two problems. The smaller one is that it unintentionally contributes to things like the thread linked above, even if it in no way justifies this behaviour. The second one is that it somehow undermines effords for decent team-play. It is hard to take those games serious at all when you always have at least one troll or really bad (plus maybe even uncooperative) player in your team, for whatever reason. This creates a cycle where more people feel that putting efford into the game is punishing, hence they play below their abilities as well. I think @Firepluk has already said countless times that he feels that way.
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If the position of the admin-team towards the way clusterfucks are regulated is completely unquestionable (unquestionable things being problematic in general imho, but anyway), then be it so. Still, this creates at least two problems. The smaller one is that it unintentionally contributes to things like the thread linked above, even if it in no way justifies this behaviour. The second one is that it somehow undermines effords for decent team-play. It is hard to take those games serious at all when you always have at least one troll or really bad (plus maybe even uncooperative) player in your team, for whatever reason. This creates a cycle where more people feel that putting efford into the game is punishing, hence they play below their abilities as well. I think @Firepluk has already said countless times that he feels that way.
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I accept and understand that the All-Welcome-Room should stay All-Welcome. But are you, independant of this, comfortable with a situation where a player like @Manu12 only plays once every two weeks or @Sigero not playing at all anymore because of this?
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I accept and understand that the All-Welcome-Room should stay All-Welcome. But are you, independant of this, comfortable with a situation where a player like @Manu12 only plays once every two weeks or @Sigero not playing at all anymore because of this?
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Thats why i suggested having the paladium more often. This would basically leave the AWH untouched and at least offer us some more posibilities to have satisfying games.
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Thats why i suggested having the paladium more often. This would basically leave the AWH untouched and at least offer us some more posibilities to have satisfying games.
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I could also host a private passworded room, but i suspect i would have to keep it up for a LONG time until enough players are aware of it. It also has some other disadvantages:
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I could also host a private passworded room, but i suspect i would have to keep it up for a LONG time until enough players are aware of it. It also has some other disadvantages:
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- It would also be even MORE exclusive to many people as they couldn`t even spectate.
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- It would also be even MORE exclusive to many people as they couldn`t even spectate.
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- I would be afraid of password-leaks. I wouldn`t like to be forced to kick people out.
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- I would be afraid of password-leaks. I wouldn`t like to be forced to kick people out.
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- I suspect the room wouldn`t be visible for many people, because of the "hide passworded rooms" option. So i would have to constantly announce it in the lobby-chat.
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- I suspect the room wouldn`t be visible for many people, because of the "hide passworded rooms" option. So i would have to constantly announce it in the lobby-chat.
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Further escalation of the clusterfuck-tensions