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Title: MatchMaker 1249
Host: Nobody
Game version: Zero-K v1.6.5.6
Engine version: 104.0.1-287-gf7b0fcc
Started: 26 days ago
Duration: 26 minutes
Players: 2
Bots: False
Mission: False
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Team 1
Chance of victory: 65%

CHrankAdminDeinFreund
Team 2
Chance of victory: 35%

CHrankDrDoom
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CHrankAdminDeinFreund
26 days ago
Cyclops comeback
+0 / -0


FIrankVermind
26 days ago
(edited 26 days ago)

Cyclopses are way too survivable. Scorpion costs more than 3000 with the same amount of HP.
Would have been more interesting if CHrankDrDoom had:
1. Built also Lances, or at least a more significant group before sending them off
2. Reclaimed the metal he easily had access to, for example northeast, southwest
+0 / -0




EErankAdminAnarchid
26 days ago
Lances are just shooting practice for the Emissaries due to longer range and radar-based targetting
+1 / -0


USrank_Shaman
26 days ago
Everyone seems to have forgotten the number one cyclops bane...


Op-holder.
+0 / -0




EErankAdminAnarchid
26 days ago
Cyclops outranges and outruns placeholder. The turning arc and other factors can probably let PH do a hit sometimes but i wouldn't count on it against competent adversaries.
+0 / -0


USrank_Shaman
26 days ago
Throw it from a transport? :D
+0 / -0




EErankAdminAnarchid
26 days ago
So now you are throwing a placeholder from a transport while somehow mitigating enemy AA if it's present, and you also have a dedicated kill squad of things that are resilient to kodachi and make cost against cyclops when fighting it point blank.

quote:
The problem is that while you are busy microing a combination of 10 units that takes out a goliath, the enemy has built another two of them and raided you on two other fronts.


+2 / -0


ROrankSigero
25 days ago
the only proper counter to noobliath is bantha,everything else barely breaks even.
+1 / -0




EErankAdminAnarchid
25 days ago
(edited 25 days ago)

quote:
the only proper counter to noobliath is bantha,everything else barely breaks even.

Pretty sure 5 cyclops > paladin

Starlight or resign
+4 / -0


CZrankpsaniac
25 days ago
quote:
Cyclops outranges and outruns placeholder. The turning arc and other factors can probably let PH do a hit sometimes but i wouldn't count on it against competent adversaries.

From the wiki:
Placeholder range: 475
Goli Range: 450
Placeholder speed: 60
Goli speed: 61

+2 / -0

GBrankehtomlol
24 days ago
There was actually a very good series of games with Anarchid crushing DeinFreund with a cyclops switch every time...

At first I didnt think cyclops is particularly op but now I do. Its a unit which you basically dont have to micro at all yet to even kill one requires a huge amount of planning and micro.

By the time you got rid of that one cyclops attack moved into your base the enemy has 2 more and upgraded their entire eco.
+0 / -0

USrankFealthas
23 days ago
Relevant:
Almost got cooked by a lobster:
Multiplayer B568871 2 on TitanDuel 2.2
+0 / -0



GBrank[GBC]1v0ry_k1ng
22 days ago
The Cyclops slow beam is rather good at letting the Cyclops hose the small, fast units it should struggle with.
+1 / -0

USrankFealthas
22 days ago
Its also what makes it good vs other heavies.
+0 / -0


ROrankSigero
22 days ago
(edited 22 days ago)

i think we should give the slow beam higher damage but MUCH lower ROF something like 50%.To me goliath is the supreme all-rounder which has no effective counter other than infiltrator it till its dead.
Ultimatum can kill 1 , maybe even 2 if extremely lucky.
Scorpion can barely kill 1.
Bantha needs a screen/army of moderators to work vs goli spam.
Raiders wont survive long enough to drain the hp to the point of no return.
I mean a unit thats so hard to kill but it can kill allmost everything you throw at it and LIVE is imho a broken unit.

Its problem is the cobination of speed/hp and SLOW that makes it so fkn hard to kill no matter what u use.Its basicly the nr.1 spam me unit atm.

It seems to me that everytime something gets slightly nerfed NO ONE builds that unit anymore and when we buff something it gets overused,ive seen this with fleas and racketer in clusterfarts.So if u see something get spammed like crazy in all the games you see then its quite obviously OP.

Im quite curious what sparked this goliath meta now,i mean they havent been changed much at all but all of a sudden it made it into 1v1 as an OP weapon of mass rage.I remember spamming them vs the AI and they where allways brutal at dealing with the AI at one point u got like 10 of them and it would be GG at that point cause you could virtually wipe them out of the map with that.
+0 / -0

USrankFealthas
22 days ago
Previously HT early game was supertrash, so nobody played them. Now their early game is supergood, and you survive long enough to explore usage of all the other units, which turned out to be pretty good.
+2 / -0


CZrankpsaniac
22 days ago
I still think you people are way too reactive. A month ago there were no threads calling Cyclops OP. In 1v1s, Cyclops to me looks like a natural meta shift to counter Stinger spam. I'd give it a month and see what counters people come up with.

+3 / -0




EErankAdminAnarchid
22 days ago
Pre-registering hypothesis: the counter that people will find in 1 month's time from now, barring a nerf, will be More Cyclops.
+2 / -0


PLrankzenfur
22 days ago
I think they would still be appreciated as a unit if they had 5-10%less hp and range.
+1 / -0


CZrankpsaniac
22 days ago
(edited 22 days ago)

I just watched the replay... Seriously? DrDoom spammmed for some insane reason Daggers and Maces against golis. He also had EIGHT Stingers at one point. Against Tanks, where half of their units counter porc. Does he not know that Lance exists? He made Ulti and Gnats, but Lances would have been much better.
+1 / -0
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