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Map: Geyser_Plains_TNM04-V3
 Geyser_Plains_TNM04-V3
Title: 1v1: All welcome!
Host: CZrankElerium
Game version: Zero-K v1.1.10.5
Engine version: 91.0
Battle ID: 206230
Started: 11 years ago
Duration: 10 minutes
Players: 2
Bots: False
Mission: False
Rating: Competitive
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Team 1
Chance of victory: 30.1%

USrank[GBC]1v0ry_k1ng
Team 2
Chance of victory: 69.9%

GBrank[GBC]Fred
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EErankAdminAnarchid
FIranksprang
CArankAdminShadowfury333
PLrankOrfelius
EErank[ISP]Lauri

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CArankAdminShadowfury333
11 years ago
Casted on YouTube during original game.
+2 / -0


AUrankAdminGoogleFrog
11 years ago
Recluses don't 'barely' have enough range to attack a HLT. They have 80 less range than it, HLT is mainly a counter to weak skirmisher units which outrange other defenses and Recluse is the most extreme example of such a unit.
+0 / -0


CArankAdminShadowfury333
11 years ago
Duly noted.

Ironic that these casts happened because I was trying to play 1v1s to make fewer such stupid mistakes.
+1 / -0

GBrankTheEloIsALie
11 years ago
quote:
They have 80 less range than it

...assuming even terrain, right?
+0 / -0


FIranksprang
11 years ago
When seeing the factories I expected a steamroll, but the game was pretty tense which was nice.
+0 / -0

NLrank[XIV]Floris
11 years ago
(edited 11 years ago)
...and "weak" riots like warriors and levelers. In fact, just don't come in range of a Stinger at all. Even raiders barely make cost vs a lonely HLT.

Spiders suffer from the big-cost-per-hitpoint-syndrome. So anything with lots of pinpoint damage and the range to hit will be good against it. This means all turrets.
+0 / -0


EErankAdminAnarchid
11 years ago
Lack of DPS source after HLT was stunned and entire enemy opposition was that HLT and some Zeus killed fred.

If he spared his resources on 10 fleas, game would likely have been turned. Zeus suck at killing fleas quick enough.
+0 / -0


AUrankAdminGoogleFrog
11 years ago
Raiders absolutely destroy HLT. At least Flea and Glaive do.

I think the game was thrown by attacking the HLT. The Recluse could not deal with the HLT and Zeus at the same time. They could have easily waited back for 2 minutes until the completion of the Crabe. The Crabe could then be used to kill the HLT from beyond it's range.

The other option of course is to make 20 Fleas instead of a half complete Crabe. That would have worked well with the push on the HLT.
+2 / -0

NLrank[XIV]Floris
11 years ago
Best way to get better at 1v1 is just play a lot, but you already knew that :P

I can't think of a way to learn all the little intricacies of unit interaction, timings and mini tactics without playing a lot.
+0 / -0


CArankAdminShadowfury333
11 years ago
I know, I was playing against 1v0ry_k1ng, but then I had a phone call and then Fred and Anarchid came so I went in spec slot. Once I was done with the phone this game was starting.
+0 / -0


USrank[GBC]1v0ry_k1ng
11 years ago
I had a reaper almost done, superior economy and 1050m of zeus, I dont think I was in any danger of losing even if that attack had taken down the HLT - the HLT took no part in the battle at all anyway!

The reaper would have been out well before the crabbe, and reaper hardcounters venom/recluse, and I could easily afford reinforcements. Freds superior micro was shredding me, but he didnt have the eco to keep up
+0 / -0


AUrankAdminGoogleFrog
11 years ago
The HLT was useful because it drew Fred's Recluse into Zeus range. It also drew their fire. I didn't notice a Reaper because I just watched the cast and apparently CArankAdminShadowfury333 never noticed it. I'm not going to watch the replay just for theorycrafting but if he hadn't thrown the Infiltrator away on the HLT he could have used it on the Reaper.
+0 / -0


USrank[GBC]1v0ry_k1ng
11 years ago
great cast either way, great work with the spec cam at catching the important bits
+0 / -0

GBrank[GBC]Fred
11 years ago
Mein brain derped over the HLT
where its so stronk against spider I prioritised wrong and forgot to rearrange my build order when I switched anti hlt strat from crabe to spy
+0 / -0


USrank[GBC]1v0ry_k1ng
11 years ago
you will note fred makes no hermits

this is because hermits suck terribly
+0 / -0

GBrank[GBC]Fred
11 years ago
That is indeed true
making hermits against HLT or just cloakies in general is not dissimiar to pissing into the wind
+0 / -0


EErankAdminAnarchid
11 years ago
Primary value of Hermit used to be "cheapest thing in factory that can damage, and doesn't die to a whiff".

Now that venom got damage of its own, does that mean hermits have become more hermity, leaving their secret dens even less often?
+0 / -0

GBrank[GBC]Fred
11 years ago
The only time I make cudgels now really is to finish somone off 1v1 after map domination has decided the game

I just make 4 spiderfacs and fight command repeat cudgels

They have no purpose now venoms deal damage
+0 / -0