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Zero-K v1.0.4.1 - v1.0.4.6 + Quickmatch


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MYrankAdminKingRaptor
30 months ago

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Happy belated Easter! There are lots of gameplay adjustments in this one, but the most notable change is the new and improved™ Quickmatch system. As always, refer to the changelog for details.

=== Quickmatch Improved and Enabled ===

The quick matching system 'Juggler' has had improvements and has been re-enabled. Juggler preferences can now be set with Zero-K lobby and defaults to Never. Preferences are used to automatically search/create organise games with people that also want to play that kind of game.

QuickMatch is activated by button in Zero-K lobby multiplayer tab or by joining autohosts with Stars.

People who cannot use Zero-K lobby can set their preferences on their home page - "Game preferences".

There are now 3 levels of TEAMS host, small medium and large. These hosts will automatically start a game if the number of players is within their desired range. Automatic starting can be postponed with the command '!postpone'. Games which are too small can still be manually started and if a game is too large it will be split into two games with players sorted by elo. The game sizes are:
* Small 2v2 - 4v4
* Medium 4v4 - 8v8
* Large 5v5+

Please pay attention to this and configure your preferences based on your likes.

QuickMatch creates games from waiting people according to their preferences to satisfy greatest number of people.

1) It tries to make game of similar ELO skill. For 1v1 max ELO difference is 250 points.

2) It can only move you from your current game to new game if you like the new game type more than current game type, or same as current game type and moving you will allow other game to start, whilenot breaking current game.

3) Games where you are moved are always withing recommended player level for that game type (it will never move you to empty room alone etc).

Zero-K lobby/springies now also allow private hosting of unpassworded games.

=== Balance ===

Factories:
* Cost 550 -> 700
* Build Speed 5 -> 10
With the previous BP change it became a bit hard to spend at game start. This factory change is experimental so feedback would be helpful.

Penetrator, Annihilator and Sharpshooter do not fire at radar dots by default. They completely refuse to fire at a radar dot unless their 'fire at radar' state toggle is enabled.

Krow:
* Slows to 75% speed while dropping bombs.

Jugglenaut gets an anti unit special weapon. It can pickup all ground units around it and throw them at anything nearby.

Golliath:
* Cost 1900 -> 2200

Sumo:
* Cost 2200 -> 1900
* Jump range 300 -> 360
* Gun damage up 20%
* Stomp damage up 25%
* Stomp AOE 300 -> 340 (diameter)

Dominatrix can capture Dominatrix. This can form trees of control that completely flip when the head is killed.

Archer:
* 3xish damage
* faster projectile.

Grizzly:
* Range 550 -> 600

Clam:
* 25% faster resurrect speed. This is more of a fix because resurrect should drain 7.5 energy whereas due to an oversight it drained 6.

Commander torpedo DPS increased 50%.

Submerging a units in water puts out fires.

=== Overdrive Distribution ===

More overdrive metal is given to team members who contribute their energy. 50% of the overdrive distribution is weighted by how much energy a player contributes. The other 50% is distributed evenly between all players.

Base metal extraction sharing is unchanged, this is still evenly distributed.


=== Physics ===

In unit-unit collision both units take damage. As an aside they also take the same amount of damage (unless of course one is armoured).

Licho no longer collides with aircraft. This is to prevent mid-air catastrophes. Other aircraft are already set to not collide.

Units skid around a bit more and don't take so much damage from sliding along the ground. Technically put speed for fall damage only uses 50% of the tangential component of velocity to the ground. The speed reduction vector is also mostly in the direction of the normal.


=== Pathing ===

Units should now stop to turn if given a movement order behind them. Slow turning units can now turn on the spot instead of wandering into turret range.


=== Lag Monitor ===

Units that the taker creates are not given to the afk player when they return. Exceptions are factories to give the afk player back their factory plop.

Afk players do not receive metal income. It is split between their teammates.

Removed sexism.

=== Graphics ===

New explosion effects for Merl and Pillager.

LOS + Radar view has been recoloured. Most importantly areas with LOS and no radar are not dark blue.

=== Sound ===

There are now game Victory and Defeat triggered music tracks.

Changed Buoy and Halberd weapon sound effect.

=== Fixes ===

* Fixed tooltips for BP 5/6 change.
* Fixed game over bug that would cause both teams to win if the last unit that died was a Puppy.
* Puppy should get stuck underground less.
* Puppy now takes 5s to self-d.
* Initial States should now correctly set states when units are received from other teams.
* Added buildpic for Bantha
* Reordered a few build menu items to obey cost ordering.
* Fixed Freaker description.
* Pillager can now shoot in all directions because it would not turn itself to shoot.
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LTrankNapoleon[pikts]wolas
30 months ago
(edited 30 months ago)

something is terribly wrong with this release. Hosts seems to be messed up. Needs quick fix or revert changes.
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USrankAdminAntelope
30 months ago

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Wow, great changes! This version has a lot of cool things that I've been wanting for a while, most especially submerging units to put out fire. Neato!

Bravo, this changelog looks fantastic! Thanks to all the devs who make this game so fun!
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SErankNapoleonEmblis
30 months ago
I do not like the factory cost increase. Aside from that it is great changes.
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USrankDudemarathon
30 months ago
Like the changes, though I might be a little concerned about the increased fatory BP (more intense early game, easier to destroy your eco early game, makes rushing larger units earlier easier in team games). I havn't really played any games yet but this is what I predict.
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CZrankAdminLicho
30 months ago


I dont like factory cost either, i would like it to cost ~= 500
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unknownrankSoldier[DOOP]fortaleza
30 months ago
"Removed sexism."

What?
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USrankAdminAntelope
30 months ago

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>More overdrive metal is given to team members who contribute their energy. 50% of the overdrive distribution is weighted by how much energy a player contributes. The other 50% is distributed evenly between all players.

Doesn't this reward the guys that sit in back and spam fusions? Isn't this the exact OPPOSITE of the behavior that ZK was seeking to eliminate by rewarding expansion over teching? This is a step towards 8v8 BA DSD.
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USrankAdminAntelope
30 months ago

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To expand on my point: give players a fraction of mex income instead a fraction of overdrive income. This places the emphasis and reward on expansion, not teching.
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CZrankAdminLicho
30 months ago


Sharing does not change emphasis .. optimal team strategy is same in both cases.

Communism is necessary for mexes, because they are limited resource that cannot be shared, without it, people fight for mexes.

Energy isnt limited, any person can build as much as he/she wants, so it makes no sense to force full share on that.
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USrankAdminAntelope
30 months ago

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But in most cases the guy spamming the fusions is NOT the guy helping the team fight. Sure, he is helping the team with overdrive, but most good players would agree that overdrive is less helpful than units. It's even in the manual: http://zero-k.info/Wiki/AggressionGuide

So now, instead of the fusion spamming player helping his team *somewhat* by giving team 100% of OD income, you're helping team even less by only sharing 50% of OD income.

Most importantly: it simply rewards the wrong type of gameplay. I already have a hard enough time convincing noobs to stop their 8th fusion and start making units. Do we want to add another reason for them to sit back and play SimCity?

I don't mean this to be overly critical, but I WANT players to fight over mex spots. There NEEDS to be an insane rush to the front to grab as many mexes as possible. One thing that BA does well is forcing early game aggression when two enemy Commanders meet at a mex spot in the center of the map. Each player is FORCED to fight for that metal spot because the difference in income can mean the difference of them winning or losing. In ZK, when you're relying on metal from the rest of the team, you rarely see those insane compushes over a single mex. More often than not I'm willing to simply let the other guy have it.

I'm not saying that communism is bad - I love it! But I do think that teching is bad. So instead of rewarding fusion spammers, we need a way to reward mex spammers!
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CZrankAdminLicho
30 months ago
(edited 30 months ago)



Going economy boom is a valid strategy. If you can hold enemy off with turrets efficiently, while you ramp up energy production, thats a valid strategy.

Before this change, this stragy was almost impossible, because investing into energy didnt result in near exponential growth of personal income (now it does).

Now its possible to easilly build 4 singularities during ordinary game, helping your team immensely and having some fun wiht end-game units.

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USrankAdminAntelope
30 months ago

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> thats a valid strategy.

Sure, if you design it that way, ANYTHING can be a valid strategy. I could give Glaives 100000 HP and 100000 DPS and force game into a spam-Glaives-to-win game, but we don't do that, do we?

My point is that if I moved to ZK from BA because I got tired of being steamrolled when I played front because the same guys sat in back every game, teching and spamming fusions and watching porn until front players were wiped out, then unleashing their massive economy to win the game. It also encouraged games to routinely last 45 minutes to an hour.

As it stands right now, spamming fusions IS a valid strategy, because it was designed that way. Let's design it to reward those who fight instead.
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USrankAdminluckywaldo7
30 months ago

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As noted a few weeks ago in chat when this was first brought up, I dislike this change also, pretty much for the exact reasons Antelope mentioned. Ultimately you are encouraging players to not take mexes and build fusions instead, and this is the exact opposite of what they should be doing.

Although, at this point I am tired of arguing, I think I would just settle for mexes being split the same as overdrive. So the energy builder gets 50% of his overdrive? Mex owners should also get 50% of their mex metal. Let the socialism be consistent everywhere.
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MYrankSoldierjseah
30 months ago
(edited 30 months ago)

In the old non-shared system, connecting grid with wind was still very good. I played air one game where I used my highly mobile cons to reclaim and spent about a third of my metal in more winds/tidals to connect mexes and repair broken connections.

Now you need to give it to allies for them to benefit. More micro-management...

EDIT: I say bring back full communism.
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CArankAdminPxtl
30 months ago
(edited 30 months ago)

MYrankSoldierjseah - are you sure it works that way? I'd assumed it took the naive approach.

Y'know, assuming that energy-in correlates to metal out. This could create its own problems: if you have a fusion on a single mex going full overdrive and everybody else has an intelligent layout of 1 solar next to 1 mex each on 5 mexes? Mr. Fusion looks, to the game, like he's got 90% of the input into the overdrive and gets 45% of the overdrive back, never mind that *his* overdrive is pathetically wasteful.

But yeah, if overdrive provides 50% of their metal income back, so should mexes. I'm honestly surprised that the overdrive-oriented change happened *before* the mex one.
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AUrankAdminGoogleFrog
30 months ago
(edited 30 months ago)


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The grid is owned by the allyTeam. Individual players only contribute energy and in most situtations the grids are not maxed. Because only half is proportionally shared any extra energy will increase everyone's metal income

I'm unsure about the change, on one had it lets players gain more metal without reclaim and gives people and incentive for overdrive which would otherwise have a very long personal pay off time. On the other hand the econ player is not that useful unless they eventually use it.

Also factory cost is probably a bit high. I have tried it for a bit and think it could be reduced.
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FIrankNapoleonsprang
30 months ago

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I like the concept of this eco change. It's cool that there's a way to ramp up your personal economy now, and it motivates to overdrive, which is a good thing. Now I even might make a fusion in a teamgame. Let's give it a try.
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DErankNapoleonmojjj
30 months ago

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good work devs! thx!
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AUrankAdminGoogleFrog
30 months ago

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v1.0.4.7

The new economy stat reporting may have swamped the game over notification for springie. This meant it didn't know when a game propperly ended so didn't put the game online and modify elo and XP. So the reporting has been removed to see if that was the cause.

I took the oppotunity to reduce factory costs from 700 to 600. The change was tested since v1.0.4.4 and after feedback and testing 700 seemed to be too much.

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USrankAdminAntelope
30 months ago

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> It's cool that there's a way to ramp up your personal economy now,

There already was. It's called reclaiming. I've got more reclaim awards (182) than any other.

Anyways, if you need a way to ramp up your personal economy, why not do the same thing, but based on mexes instead of energy? I never said I minded some players getting more metal than others - I just think that metal is going to the wrong players. Why exactly are we choosing to give it to the fusion-spammers and not the mex-grabbers?
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unknownrankSoldier[DOOP]fortaleza
30 months ago
(edited 30 months ago)

Now that we incentive ppl to produce more energy, we need a more easy way to connect the power grid with wind/solar, like we can easy cap mex with area mex.

And what about the ppl only get the "extra" 50% from mex that him did cap (all another mexs work like old times), this way still would incentive more mex caps.
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CZrankAdminLicho
30 months ago


> Antelope: There already was. It's called reclaiming. I've got more reclaim awards (182) than any other.

FAIL, i have 234 reclaim awards...
Yet I still support this change .. the fact that you have bigger return on investment only helps people to understand eco better and allows dedicated economists to execute their strategy.
Building energy just means you are investing in future income, if your combat situation on ground allows that, and return on investment is reasonably short, its perfectly normal and part of the game.

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DErankNapoleonmojjj
30 months ago

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i dont like the energy sharing. meaning they still can invest more, reinvest the more of income and let their comrades fail at front due to thier lower income. communist value up! 75% ?
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USrankAdminAntelope
30 months ago

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>FAIL, i have 234 reclaim awards...

Than any other award, not any other person. Comprehension fail.
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USrankAdminluckywaldo7
30 months ago

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> Yet I still support this change .. the fact that you have bigger return on investment only helps people to understand eco better

So why isn't there a bigger return on mex investments!? >:-(

Why was there ever communism in the first place?

Shared overdrive was the only redeeming feature of communism. Why are you trying to minimize the effects of good players on a team and maximize the effects of bad players?
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ATrankNapoleonSkasi
30 months ago


What issue was there with Pillager? I never noticed it. It was very very nice when Pillager's gun could only face forward, really.

How about making the OD metal income part 5%, like with mexes? You know, you get 5% of the base mex output, 95% is shared. Same could be applied to OD. Anyway, the only reason I stopped raging about the 50% stuff is that allies have no freaking idea. I do know, so I get immense metal income.. which doesn't help due to fps problems, huh.

The factory cost of 600m is nice. A tiny increase was needed because of the higher BP. Like it. Better than the big one.

Now the only thing I don't like is Sumo's increased jump range.
Instead of...
* Jump range 300 -> 360
* Stomp AOE 150 -> 170 (radius)
You could've also done..
* Jump range 300
* Stomp AOE 150 -> 230 (radius)
Would've been more of a damage and less of a mobility based buff. You know, Sumo is fat, "buff strengths, not weaknesses". :P

Rest is nice! All of it! Yay for quickmatching, yay for fixing ressing, YAY for buffing Archer, it's such a very nice unit. I really hope that one wasn't too big of a buff.
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unknownrankSoldier[DOOP]fortaleza
30 months ago
"communist value up! 75%"

Agree, but the overdrive of a mex that the player did cap/made, should give him 50% and 50% to team of the total overdrive.
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FIrankNapoleonsprang
30 months ago
(edited 30 months ago)


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Communism is good, because mexes are shared, and there's no need to manage who owns which mex.
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unknownrankSoldier[DOOP]fortaleza
30 months ago
(edited 30 months ago)

"Communism is good, because mexes are shared, and there's no need to manage who owns which mex."

Not sure what you mean, things would still be the same make more energy and connect all power grid, so what is this increase you manage you are talking about?
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FIrankNapoleonsprang
30 months ago
(edited 30 months ago)


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I talk about fussing over who gets which mex. In non-communism.
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LTrankNapoleon[pikts]wolas
30 months ago
50% is too much. 75% would be better. Try to count if you build single singularity your m income can be double or even more than your teamates. Or if it is big game and you spam singularities your m income would be few times bigger. And yes since licho likes spaming singularities I dont see bright future of this! :)

Anyway lets see how it will work out. And now when there is eco rewarding thing, why not to add some eco award?
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DErankNapoleonmojjj
30 months ago

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"eco" like "save energy" ? muhahaha
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CArankAdminPxtl
30 months ago
(edited 30 months ago)

How is the player's "proportion" of the overdrive economy determined? Is it his contribution of energy into the overdrive grid? Couldn't this be used to cause teammate E to *drop* as a single player takes disproportionately large amounts of the overdrive?

... nevermind, I just ran the numbers. You need like 14 players on a team and the eco player to build a sing per-mex while his teammates have 1 fusion per-mex before a teammate building energy can actually cause his teammates' overdrive M to *drop*. So using the overdrive-keeping mechanic can't result in "stealing" M that way... although there are other permutations I haven't considered.
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USrankAdminluckywaldo7
30 months ago

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>> Anyway lets see how it will work out. And now when there is eco rewarding thing, why not to add some eco award?

Yes, I can't wait to see all my teammates building fusions instead of playing the game. And then getting awards for it to ensure they do it more.
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AUrankNapoleonSortale
30 months ago
support Antelope. the metal system was fine before, should be reverted. should have a poll about this?

sumo is a bit op? price should be 2000 at least
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ATrankNapoleonSkasi
30 months ago


As I see it everyone knows its op, Sortale. If I understand GoogleFrog correctly, then it is supposed to be op so we can get an idea of what makes it most awesome/interesting and then balance accordingly.
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FIrankNapoleonsprang
30 months ago

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I think we all agree that games are the best with equal teams. How about the juggler autostarted only with an even number of players?
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