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Do we have a list of Page we posted advertising on? or do I have to make one from scratch?

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8 years ago
Except the list on the main page is there a list of Website we posted about zero-k on? or should I compile one from scratch?
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8 years ago
Current known ones:

- Steam Greenlight / Steam
- Reddit
- Indiedb
- Moddb
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8 years ago
Who is 'we'? There is this: http://www.giantbomb.com/zero-k/3030-37687/

Someone posted on Uber forums and had a farce. Are you counting forum posts?
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8 years ago
short offtopic:
I demand AUrankSortale for FaceBook editing. (native english and seems to have nice ideas about advertisings) :)
if new users like it later, they will see a nice event history or such.
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8 years ago
- Steam Greenlight / Steam
- Reddit
- Indiedb / Moddb
- facebook
- google plus
- indiedb / moddb
- imgur
- youtube (videos and comments to other videos)
- various streaming sites like twitch.tv, hitbox
- ~every forum related to Total Annhilation, Supreme Commander series, Planetary Annhilation etc.
- several general gaming forums
- several "add your game to this list" lists & wikis
- wikipedia
- springrts.com and its related sites
- github, google.code
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Someone posted on Uber forums and had a farce. Are you counting forum posts?

it was Smokethefumus aka "FUCK FUCK IDIOT" guy. He was advertising Spring as a whole but ZK was definetely in the focus.

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- Steam Greenlight / Steam
- Reddit
- Indiedb / Moddb
- facebook
- google plus
- indiedb / moddb
- imgur
- youtube (videos and comments to other videos)
- various streaming sites like twitch.tv, hitbox
- ~every forum related to Total Annhilation, Supreme Commander series, Planetary Annhilation etc.
- several general gaming forums
- several "add your game to this list" lists & wikis
- wikipedia
- springrts.com and its related sites
- github, google.code
I have not seen a single Imgur post making any significant appearance though feel free to correct me (I only browse the main page from time to time).

Facebook, twitch, hitbox can hardly seen as advertising. They are centered around the ingroup and ingroup only. I have yet to see any significan person even mention ZK on the stream nor heard of such occurance.

Github and googlecode don't ciunt as means to advertise at all and I can't really see why would they. These are tools for development not for publicity.

Wikipedia page can hardly seen as advertising. It provides information I will grant you that, but who browses wiki pages in a search of a new game.

Can't really argue with the rest of the points other than asking whether G+ is significant in any way shape or form.

Other than that:
- teamLiquid forums
- bay12 formus to that list
- that MLP website I somehow stumbled upon mentioned ZK
- linux repos
- twitter (though I would argue that it gives near to nigh publicity simmilarly to ZK's reddit page)
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8 years ago
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Facebook, twitch, hitbox can hardly seen as advertising. They are centered around the ingroup and ingroup only.
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- twitter (though I would argue that it gives near to nigh publicity simmilarly to ZK's reddit page)
I dislike most 'social media' (imo worse than fake download buttons) but I know for sure that all those profiles are ineffective because they get used wrong.
Someone creates an account, spams the profile a bit and get bored. Then they get bored and suddendly it says "Last update: 3 years ago" and the whole thing looks dead.
Second thing is the interactive user interaction experience of social media. Look how the site works and what kind of content is popular. In the hundreds of 'advertising' threads have NEVER seen this done.

Example reddit:
Nobody cares about the tiny subreddit where 1 or 3 players post a list of SF333's livestreamed games.
Reddit is about discusion and dank memes.
Well, mostly there is not much deep discussion.
So post something interesting in one of the gaming subreddits and hope it gets to frontpage.
Or make screenshot of endgame-graph and post it to 'DataIsBeautiful' subreddit.
Or build a penis shaped base and post it to 'funny' or so.
That is the kind of content that gets to reddit frontpage: Quick instant internet amusement. Just has to be interesting and with luck it gets voted to frontpage. The difference in clicks is like factor one million.

Those idiots have attention span of 10 seconds and upvote anything that its either slighly amusing or roughly fits their current circlejerk. Of course there is the luck-factor, too. The first few minutes decide if a post 'blows up' or not.
Either way it is waste of time to post in the tiny basically private subreddit.
Mentioning zero-K in other discussions (about RTS or TA-style games) also has very small effect: Postings that are too deep buried in comments-tree are not read by anyone except the handful of people who are taking part in that discusion.

Twitter:
Is used for checking short updates about current events on the iphone.
Definately not the place for long videos & blabla text.
Tweets only get seen when:
a) There is lots of followers. Do you see a way to get lots of followers? I do not.
b) The tweets uses a #trending #hashtag and gets popular. Do you see that happening? I do not.
So in case of zK the use of twitter is what excactly?


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Wikipedia page can hardly seen as advertising. It provides information I will grant you that, but who browses wiki pages in a search of a new game.
Good question, what kind of peoplepersons browse wikipedia articles about video games?
To me seems like the kind of people who read wikipedia articles about video games are the perfect target audience.

Are you aware that wikipedia articles are interlinked?
The zero-K article itself is of course not very good (Like all texts) and on its own would not get much traffic.
But have you seen in how many categories and lists spring/zero-K are included? That is the footer of zero-K article:


zero-K is also in the footer of Planetary Annhilation and SupCom games:


For example an german wikipedia-page of Total Annhilation Zero-K is directly mentioned as successor, and other articles mention zk/Spring too:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real-time_strategy#Graphics
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Only in later years did these games begin to use true 3D graphics and game-play, making it possible to rotate the view of the battlefield in real-time. Spring is a good example of the transformation from semi-3D to full-3D game simulations. It is an open-source project which aims to give a Total Annihilation game-play experience in three dimensions


Some of those articles and mentions of Spring/spring-mods would have (tbh rightly) been deleted a few times but spring-peoplepersons took part in the votes and shifted it.
(Not really neutral but whatever works. Similiar could work on reddit too btw)

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Github and googlecode don't ciunt as means to advertise at all and I can't really see why would they. These are tools for development not for publicity.
Projects and people on those dev sites are interlinked.
There is even websites that 'rate' profiles of git/svn. For example if there is many comments per LOC then the project gets a better rating. (Somehow the only number from these rating-sites is people on forum were ever interested in is that by some bullshit-math zero-K sourcecode would be worth 456564456564374 billion dollars.)
Beside being a site to manage source code, those sites are as much social networks as facebook or google+
Instead of uploading selfies people upload new code, rest is same.
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8 years ago
RE: Significant imgur posts: http://imgur.com/gallery/Iig1D/comment/236370457/1

That's the most successful one I've had for Zero-K
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8 years ago
> 15 points - 6,040 views
That viewcount is not too bad for zK. The "trailer videos" on youtube have 12-15k clicks despite being here on the site, on steam, and in many other advertisement posts. So getting almost half of all that combined is decent result. (Although imgur / youtube work different etc)

I think that post did better than others (for ex http://imgur.com/gallery/PwE7H ) because it was from personal perspective = more clicks.
(On every social content page the stuff gets more clicks if there is some 'story' in the title, even if that 'story' does not really help to describe the content.)
From the reactions it still seems doubtful if someone actually bothered to go to the website and became a new player. "Looks like a pizza." "Looks like a penis." - all rather superfacial. But as said in previous post, penis always works well on the interweb.

Social media is not for talking about your stuff.
Social media is not for showing your content.
Social media is about the users posting and talking about your stuff.
So the real successful social media post would be a post that is not written by longtime players or developers.
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One other reason I didn't want to count wikipedia as a way of advertising is the incentive. Wikipedia pages are meant to be an information source about subject in the matter, not to enderose a product. That being said I believe there might've been some playerbase gain trough the wiki.

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So the real successful social media post would be a post that is not written by longtime players or developers.

Slight correction: the real sucessful social media post would be a post that is not written by longtime players and by a person with a significant following.
Though I wouldn't say that for Imgur and reddit, because these 2 sites do not have personality cults as in they don't follow one particular person to see content they create thus enabling us commonfolk to possibly rise to the top (at least in theory). In reddits' case I can't really speak from experience because I only use it to coldshower overexcited kids seeing a new RTS that comes in early access or greenlight.

On another note I have seen some games being sucessfully promoted on imgur in the past.
Example: http://imgur.com/gallery/eb8YRsu
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uhm to be honest, I just want a solid database so we can update if need be and ensure no duplication of effort.

so for that purpose, maybe we can just ignore forum, imgur, youtube? because it's either easier to make a new post or far too personal to update.

about reddit, I haven't seen our reddit page except for shadowfurry reddit post. So no idea what to do with it. but I agree with DErank[2up]knorke that it was not being used right [Hell, I don't even know hot to use it right]. maybe for reddit, we can make a fake upload push like steam greenlight, just to gain traction?





well, I'll get started on compiling this list maybe even leave it on a wiki or something so that anyone who'd join later can get to helping with less hassle. [I think it's essential to us since we are opensource, the information are lost easily]


list compiled

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TWYUrm30VIM1jFpPJL9BIdA_yt4ffizNQP11RNQadLw/edit?usp=sharing
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8 years ago
[2up]knorke has serious point there about human external reproductive organs and meme delivery efficiency: if we have evolutionarily primed population highly rewarding anything connected to reproduction, why not to exploit the conditioning. So, to continue on the theme, lets mix together known widespread memes and anything vaguely or not so vaguely resembling reproduction in Zero-k and drop them to the relevant (social)media channels. Even if the reached population is not currently fit as player base, it may well be in some point of future.

So, short, but by no means exhaustive example list:

*Picture of aforementioned suitably shaped base on suitably selected map (Hotlips_Redux_V2 et al.), with "One does not simply PLAY Zero-K" slogan.

*Remake of Badger, badger, mushroom mushroom video with "badger" word replaced with "zero", "mushroom" with "Zero-k" and badger image replaced with dancing "Chicen tube" units.

*Prominently featuring stylistic drawings of "Kodachi" units, for example in suitable still frame of "Old Spice" commercials and "The Zero-K game YOU could be like" slogan.

*Your entry here:

:P
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8 years ago

"ZK - get your cock sucked!"
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Sprung-s post seemed to be quite punctuating to the thread here for some reason :D. So, in modest attempt to resurrect discussion I suggest brief glance on:

"Competition among memes in a world with limited attention"
L. Weng, A. Flammini, A. Vespignani & F. Menczer
http://www.nature.com/articles/srep00335

So the actual content of the promotion or state of game is actually not important - competition on the target media for attention in the other hand is.
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