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Alternative Macro Challenge

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Alternative Macro Challenge


Wanna proof that you have really understood how the economy of zero-k works? Go ahead and beat this challenge then!




What it is


You are fighting a 1 on 1 versus an AI with a very reduced set of units. This forces you to focus on economy and unit management. The limits also apply to the AI, so it is a fair and symmetric matchup.


Set up



[Spoiler]

Rules



[Spoiler]

High Scores



1. 3252 (1:48) by AUrankSnuggleBass Epic Replay
2. 2425 (1:20) by CHrankAdminDeinFreund Bots B417049 1 on Comet Catcher Redux
3. 1841 (1:01) by BErankFlipstip Bots B418770 1 on Comet Catcher Redux

Alternative Leaderboards:[Spoiler]

Here you can show off how much of a head start you could give the AI and still win the game.

Troubleshooting



The AI dies on game start


The Java AI Interface failed to initialize. Make sure you have 32 bit java installed. Also delete any duplicate interfaces by deleting the following folder if it exists:
Spring/AI/Interfaces


If this still doesn't fix your issues, you can ask AUrankSnuggleBass or CHrankAdminDeinFreund to host the AI for you.

Feedback


If you experience any issues with the AI, please provide the AI log which you can find at
Spring/CSI.log


How do you think this challenge compares to the 1v3 CCR Challenge? I would assume it is a bit easier, but you have the chance to watch the replay and see what your opponent did differently.

I did not make this a mission because those only work with ZKL and often leads to unexpected issues.
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Waiting for download now.
- am I allowed to morph commander? How much?
- the scoreboard will almost certainly be better measured in seconds, or at most, tens of seconds.

Edit: Finished now.

The AI seems a lot stronger than normal. It expands rapidly. This is not as difficult as the 3CAI challenge, but it is more granular. You can increase the difficulty very easily by waiting longer.

Killing solars with slashers is death since the AI won't F-move them.

I'll go try waiting a minute now. I'm not sure how successful I'll be, since it's difficult to stop larger numbers of slashers with smaller numbers of slashers.

Edit2: Tried on one minute delay and lost. It felt doable, but two or three minutes might not be. Unlike in other challenge there is no unit counters allowed, meaning you can't eke out some greed by being cost effective.

Edit3: http://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/416988
Beat it with one minute delay. Put me on the scoreboard kiddooooo0!
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Congratz! Of course you can also increase the time in sub minute intervals.
Watched the replay and gotta say that's some epic macro there, that's how i like it :D

@Commorphing I didn't address it in the rules, so go ahead.

Beating it without a head start also counts. If you like to use counters (=spam Ravagers only) I could add a 2nd scoreboard for Easy mode.

The AI doesn't really do much before 30 seconds because of it not choosing a startpos, but for fairness I'll refrain from improving it now.

I've updated the AI with a fix for the markerspam and removed unneeded libraries to reduce the filesize.
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I just did it myself and have to thank AUrankSnuggleBass for pretending that it would be difficult. Here's me doing it in 1:20 Bots B417049 1 on Comet Catcher Redux
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8 years ago
what's with the random pylon inside the solar chain
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8 years ago
My guess is that one of the solars would've been blocked by the hill over there.
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nope, hills seem to get worked around (see the horizontal connection above the mex above the pylon)
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if (energyIncome > MIN_PYLON_ENERGY_INCOME) cost *= 0.5;


In lategame it will prefer 1 pylon over 2 solars. The solars further up were built earlier where it builds up to 5 solars before going for a pylon. The only case where it would go for a pylon in early game would be a grid junction where it has to connect mexes in every direction.

[Spoiler]
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8 years ago
Oh it is on.
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8 years ago
Oh don't mind me, I just came here to brag.
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8 years ago
0 min is easy
2 mins is hard :(
1 min 30 is hard
I don't like slashers, they cannot raid...
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8 years ago
They can still flank, don't underestimate that.
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1 min delay seemed easy...
Bots B418770 1 on Comet Catcher Redux

(previous tries: 2mins or 1:30: Bots B417636 1 on Comet Catcher Redux, 0min: Bots B417633 1 on Comet Catcher Redux )
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8 years ago
congratz to 3rd place, is that all you can do?
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8 years ago
soon...
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