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What units do you rarely see in competitive games?

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GBrankdyth68
3 months ago
What units do you rarely see in competitive games?
In my case the ones I don't see used to much effect are:
* All the crawling bombs
* The Lobster and Djinn
* Funnelweb
* Reef
* Widow

I'm wondering if this is a good heuristic to determine underpowered, poorly designed or hard to use units.
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ZArankAstran
3 months ago
Actually Widow, Snitch and Skuttle are great answers to specific problems.

Snitch + Iris is poison to balls of raiders or arty.

Widow deals with OP single units, as does Skuttle.
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NLrankWesley
3 months ago
- Sling
- Buoy
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AUrank4hundred
3 months ago
widows are used more than u may notice, watch some counter raaar games ;]


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EErankAdminAnarchid
3 months ago
(edited 3 months ago)

Bombs are hard to use without cloakers because they require a massive amount of forethought about where to place them, patience, and (in case of Imp) a reaction force to destroy stunned enemies. But in high-tier play - so rare in current ZK scene - they are often devastating.

Reef, like all ZK drone units, lacks a role statement and is essentially - and has historically been - a bunch of crap taped together: a little bit of Scylla in dgun, a little bit of Shogun with the drones, a little bit of airpad with the pads, a little bit of noobtrap, here i am, a little bit of reef to sink your metal. The same goes for funnelweb. Drones need a redesign and reimplementation.

Lobster is underused only because lobsters lob. It is absolutely terrifying in correct situations, like Scallops jumping into your base straight out fo water on Ravaged. But it's hard to use yeah.

Djinn is expensive, and does few things which are not done by either Athena (stealth deployment) or air transports (rapid unit relocation). One thing that it does kind of well is retrieve damaged striders for repair, but that's clunky (requires many clicks: deploy lamp, tell strider to get to the lamp, wait) and not that fast anyway.

Sling is good at what it does, but literally every other artillery unit is better because Sling cannot kill mobiles and everything else (besides Impaler) can.
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AUrankSmokeDragon
3 months ago
* Funnelweb
* Reef
* Detriment

all feel like the wrong choice.. they are not that bad.. but are the wrong choice if you want to win fast

because other units are a stronger meta.. the dps vs cost of these units makes them only good for forum rage posts about how everything from catapult to disco is a better end game plan
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LUrankAnir
3 months ago
- All striders (When you go for striders in a high skilled game (excluded very big maps with tonns for metal), you loose)

- Ravagers (Duno why, they somehow became shit, duno when)

- Phoenix (Everybody knows why)

- Zeus (So slow....)

- Tremor (There should never be a reason to build one, when you play this game propperly)

- Ducks (Same as ravagers, they somehow started to become weak against pretty much everything, also there is Archer)

- Harpyes (Why get 2 harpyes when you can have a nimbus?)

I think thats it.
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AUrankSmokeDragon
3 months ago
(edited 3 months ago)

waaat tremor op in some situations.. they hurt shield balls so good and area denial on cloaked shits.. they are a great way to screen off porc too (mostly for clusterfucks) and the way they stop crab towers alone is worth sometimes

ravager changed name?

i find leveler a has poor ability to shoot over things and is useless after it blocks itself with the dead

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EErankAdminAnarchid
3 months ago
Ripper needs a leveler sidearm
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CHrankConnetable
3 months ago
"a little bit of Scylla in dgun, a little bit of Shogun with the drones, a little bit of airpad with the pads, a little bit of noobtrap, here i am, a little bit of reef to sink your metal. The same goes for funnelweb. Drones need a redesign and reimplementation."

You are in good shape!
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GBrankdyth68
3 months ago
Give the drones 3x hp and 3x build time and basically make drone units a different sort of artillery (one with looooong reload times if your enemy has AA but still with decent damage)?
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DErankAdminmojjj
3 months ago
or give drohnes penetrator beams. that would be awesome.
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USrankFealthas
3 months ago
Black dawn/whatever its called now - could use regen. Needs OKP.

Felons get murdered by too many things too easily.

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PTrankraaar
3 months ago
commanders morphed past level 4
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AUrankSmokeDragon
3 months ago
every clusterfap has at-least 1 troll com who dies right where i cant reclaim safely .. doesn't seem as rare as it could be
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LVrankSenaven
3 months ago
Storages. Even El Trolero appear rare.
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