Balance of Jumpbots, buff pyro

hmm

Never seen a actually micro'd pyro lose to a couple of glaives. Jumpbots just need higher micro than other facs.

The real problem with the jumpbot fac is, atm they are somehow outclassed by spiders on every map where you could play them effectively. And Pyro feels more or less like a suicide unit for costs of a normal riot(which it basically is but with low hp) and jumpbots have no raider other than pyro.

Jump bots always were a spec ops troll factory and they should stay this way - spec ops, troll stuff :D

Placeholder - to catch other trolls for further experiments
Moderator - to slow other trolls
Skittle - to blow up other trolls
Jugglenaut - when u are surrounded by trolls and they are everywhere, u need something more than a silly placeholder
Pyro - when u are in the mood to troll on ur own, dat's right it's ramp time!
Firewalker - it's cooking time!
Jack - it's not a good time to get out-trolled by porc, is it?

^^

fac has never been generalistic and always played mainly support and spec ops part... Feels ok
We already have cloaky and shields - two most generalist factories... Not every factory should be that flexible imo

What jump bots could REALLY use - is to buff their sides that are -supposed- to be strong, read: skittle
This unit been nerfed into oblivion with decloak radius., skittle is basically worthless right now - always explodes midair before it reaches the target
Either needs faster jump speed or/and smaller decloak radius or/and more HP

I'd also say that all units in zk should have an innate very-slow auto HP regen, maybe something like 0.2% of total HP/sec when not taking damage

We tried discussing that, nothing happened.
http://zero-k.info/Forum/Thread/27315

Pyro in the right hands and against the right targets can be overwhelming. Early pyros against lightly defended wind and mexes can virtually win the game on the spot. On the other hand I do agree that for the cost pyro is about as tough as wet toilet paper and later in the game it is virtually useless. Any sort of decent porc chews pyro up like bubblegum. What might be interesting with pyro is to reduce its jump cooldown by a couple of seconds to better reward micro?

I would not say jumpbots are weak. Their strength lies in unit synergy, proper deployment of complimentary porc and knowing the enemy factories weaknesses.

Skuttle - could use a buff (less decloak).
Toad - could use a buff (more DPS, more speed or less cost).
Constable - could use a nerf. The cost is way too low for what you get. Slow is too extreme.
Pyro - I don't have an answer - it's so situational and such a unit of extremes. I would happily take a weaker DPS but more survivable pyro.
Puppy - fine, though is it still AA?
Moderator - fine, does it's job (killing Reaver, Redback and Venoms).
Placeholder - fine.
Firewalker - fine.
Jugglenaut - fine.
Jack - fine.

Bonus: Things that I feel really make JJ suffer: Grizzlies, Cyclops, Recluses, Fleas, Planes, Fencers, Dominatrix

firewalker on f-move works most of the time all the time.

Presumably the target is outside of its current range, the flea is in range, and the Firewalker is not on hold fire. So it thinks it can take an opportunity shot before going on with its orders.

quote: JJ feel weak because theyr skirm looses to all other skirms

What

Good thing they utterly fail at both.

Given that placeholder can crash planes, I still don't get why jugglenaut pulling tham straight to the ground doesn't give the ANY damage.

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