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DErank[2up]knorke
12 months ago
(edited 12 months ago)

Want more zero-K experience beside just playing?
Why not watch some videos!

Find some nicely commentated replays here:

by CArankAdminShadowfury333
Click here to go the youtube playlist

by NLrank[GBCoW]FlorisXIV
Click here to go the youtube playlist

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ATrankSkasi
12 months ago
(edited 12 months ago)



I like the commented replays, especially the part where he jumps to Godde and sees him building windmills too, hesitating for a second before saying anything, but not the 1m wide pixels on the image used for the news.
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DErank[2up]knorke
12 months ago
On frontpage it looks ok, there image is shown in small original size.
Idk why news popup is always so gigantic and stretched...
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PRrankScrangos
12 months ago


Nice casting.

For some reason "commentated" sounds wrong. Not sure why.
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UArankIvica
12 months ago
(edited 12 months ago)

Spring isn't friendful to realtime streaming? I think not.
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FRrankpsychobarge
12 months ago
Thanks a lot for this !
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CArankAdminShadowfury333
12 months ago
(edited 12 months ago)


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Don't forget NLrank[GBCoW]FlorisXIV. He's been doing ZK casts longer than I have.
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DErankAdminmojjj
12 months ago
(edited 12 months ago)


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move this to "strategy and tips" and make it sticky?
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DErankTheEloIsALie
12 months ago
(edited 12 months ago)


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It's "commented", not "commentated".

Edit: My favorite dictionary lying to me D:
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AUrankAdminSaktoth
12 months ago

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NLrank[GBCoW]FlorisXIV has been featured, at least on facebook, before.

Commentated, past participle of commentate. Not Commented, past participle of comment.
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ATrankSkasi
12 months ago


Maybe the news on the front page should be updated to include Floris too?
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NLrank[GBCoW]FlorisXIV
12 months ago
(edited 12 months ago)


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lol, i don't put out much video's and they are of questionable quality. For promotion purposes they are not really suited imo. As others have pointed out the graphics are low and the interface is reorganized.

I make them to give ZK some exposure on the tube (and it is fun to do)
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DErank[2up]knorke
12 months ago
Of course there are many others who did videos.
Just nobody thought of making news post about it...
So instead of having all videos ever done I just put these because there were new.
Imo there could be more news but should also be about new stuff.


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move this to "strategy and tips" and make it sticky?
This is just News so that players who do not read lobby still find out about it (via lobby news thing)

This is not the place to try and collect all youtube channels.
Better make a real page to collect videos, or update http://zero-k.info/Wiki/Media
Imo would have been better to wait a bit until Floris uploads more videos and THEN have post news about that.

Also whoever just edited it:
The link for Floris does not go to a zero-K playlist but just to his account.
So if you click that the first video you see is of XTA.
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ROrankForever
12 months ago
Shadowfury can you try this game when you have time?

http://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/176651
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EErankAdminAnarchid
12 months ago

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I'd prefer if casts stayed in 1v1 domain until such clanfights are a regular phenomenon.

And to boosten that time: how about a weekly gbc vs mean, say, each Saturday?
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GBrankAdminTheSponge
12 months ago


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how about a weekly gbc vs mean, say, each Saturday?

Yes! Then those of us that don't get to play in the experienced room can play with a good team. I would rather the experienced room had a !voteuseless PlayerName command where that player gets forced to spectate. Then you can still play as long as you are good even if you have a low elo (probably becaues you keep getting an awful team).
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DErankAdminmojjj
12 months ago

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may i join on sides with GBC ? just to freshen up the PW strings...
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DErankPromann2
12 months ago
DErankAdminmojjj the replays contain clan logos to that time wouldn't matter if u join them for replay.
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PRrankScrangos
12 months ago


People seem to drawn to team games for some raeson so showing them on casted vods might attract a different set of people that wont get drawn by the 1v1 casts =o
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EErankAdminAnarchid
12 months ago
(edited 12 months ago)


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What i'm saying about "until there are regular clanfights" means that for a spectator sport to be spectatable, teams must have character and skill.

It would be a shame commentating on a bunch of random guys, half of whom spend most of their game noobing totally.

And if teams start getting casted, there must be a significant number of those games to cast, otherwise it fails at retention.

tl:dr team commentaries is a brand that needs more material to create; above i'm proposing a method for production of said material.
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ROrankForever
12 months ago
(edited 12 months ago)

We can try add Clan elo so clans will fight against other clans gaining elo.We create a coded condition so elo wont be given to the team that doesnt have full clan stack.And the game i posted Anarchid was not noobery...every player attacked and use units in nice coordonation, so dont take into consideration your plane fight:D, its hard to use them i admit.
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UArankIvica
12 months ago
(edited 12 months ago)

Full clan stack? How many clans can do it, if clan has members from all kind of timezones and member count is over 7 or so...

But clan ladder page that treats each clan as a one whole entity rather than sum of elo of all members / N members sounds interesting.

Might be possible for clan to secure much more elo than "members average" by competing good.
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EErankAdminAnarchid
12 months ago
(edited 12 months ago)


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quote:
And the game i posted Anarchid was not noobery

What i meant was that such games are rare, and to get a channel with regular non-clusterfail teamgame casts, more such games are needed:

quote:
tl:dr team commentaries is a brand that needs more material to create; above i'm proposing a method for production of said material.


Hence the regular clanwar proposal.

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But clan ladder page that treats each clan as a one whole entity rather than sum of elo of all members / N members sounds interesting.

Sad fact: there are only 4 serious clans in ZK, and up to 10 if you consider "not serious", but still capable.

Everybody would be guaranteed a top10 spot in such ladder.
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ROrankForever
12 months ago
(edited 12 months ago)

For example Mean clan...i see at least 4-5 of my clan in weekends, so if i ask them and talk with them we can arange a battle if 1 clan is interested.And yes..clan elo will be nice, make default clan elo to 1000, and make !cbalance to balance clan members only and remove other clans from that team, making it free full clan stack.In clan battles for example player elo doesnt count so much....i saw that in the game i posted.Trandsti..Anarchid,Vistritium and Ivory are standard 1 vs 1 players and can kill fast if they merge forces, thats why game was verry interesting.Fail for that game was when 1 of the best 1 vs 1 players in theyr team went planes that needs lots of gaming in teamgames to perfect it.mojjj would have done nice plane fight but it was theyr choice and thus theyr fail in doing it so.
What i want to say is...that Anarchid, Vistritium, Trandstic...easily beats me Saabir , Warlock, maybe ddabadabb, and dont know about angrypig( i didnt saw him doing lots of 1 vs 1). in ground...so elo didnt count so much.We will need to forcestart lots of times in team game battles because normal elo doesnt count so much, and also some players dont take into consideration in doing theyr best in games and having theyr fair elo, cause from what i saw some of them troll instead of proper fighting, and if they do proper fighting they will end up with top 5 6 7 or more with tons of elo.So from what i said is that we must manual balance a lot...and make agreement partnership between those 2 teams on who will play.From that game that i mentioned again i can say that only me, Saabir, Angrypig, Vistritium, Anarchid, trandstick, Ivory, mojjj had proper team elo...so game was a bit broken, but of course it didnt take into consideration the 1 vs 1 elo(some 1 vs 1 big elo players have like 1900 team elo) a thing i saw it unfair...If we want to make clan battles elo nicer we need it to make it balance with arithmetic average of both elo.Forgot to mention to remove elo giving ,losing for players that do clan battles, so they will dont worry so much about it like some players do:P.
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UArankIvica
12 months ago
quote:
Sad fact: there are only 4 serious clans in ZK, and up to 10 if you consider "not serious", but still capable.

Everybody would be guaranteed a top10 spot in such ladder.


Doesn't matter, joining clan should be same to leaving your peaceful individual game and step up for synergy team driven battle. :D
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CArankAdminShadowfury333
12 months ago
(edited 12 months ago)


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My plan is to focus on 1v1, since it needs more love and is generally the competitive game type in RTS games. I would be willing to do 2v2-4v4 as I get more experience casting ZK. 5v5 with experienced players communicating well might work, but I'm pretty sure 3v3 or 4v4 is the limit for generally coherent games.
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USrankAdminCarRepairer
12 months ago
(edited 12 months ago)

I love Shadowfury's work. Some questions and comments...

I wish you'd zoom in once in a while so viewers can see the detail of the units and special effects. Doesn't have to be often, maybe a handful of times per game, right when you anticipate a few units battling eachother.

You have the black outline going but I thought that it only shows when you zoom out far enough. There were a couple of rare times you zoomed in and the outline was still visible the entire time. I would like people to see that ZK models are not cartoons. I appreciate your setup where the outline shows up when you're way zoomed out for visibility, but I wish it weren't for the entire video, maybe only half.

Your commentating skills are excellent but I found the choice of games to be a little bit boring. That's not your fault, but there must be some good 1v1 games that last more than 10 minutes and have some more tension. Some were alright. The fact that I enjoyed watching these casts for battles I didn't find that interesting is a testament to your skills.

And regarding the clan teamgames, sure a clan game would be great, but you can just as easily round up some top tier players who aren't in the same clan and get a great game going. I would love to see Shadowfury commentate a 2v2 or 3v3 as I find those games more interesting to watch than a 1v1 that lasts a few minutes where one player makes a mistake and the game ends.

All in all this is amazing, just like those Starcraft casts. Keep up the great work. Subscribed!
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UArankIvica
12 months ago
I would love to see small teams commented by CArankAdminShadowfury333 as well.
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BErankFlipstip
12 months ago
I think someone should comentate this battle: http://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/155718
It's the tourney battle between anarchid and ddab where ddab traps a dante in terraform. It is fun to watch and shows various facs (cloakies, shieldbots, gunshits and planes -and striders-)
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ROrankForever
12 months ago
(edited 12 months ago)

This is a match, hard one that i didnt expect the outcome.I admit that i was having tons of headakes playing it but at least i learned tons of things, and its a 1 vs 1 which took more then 10 minutes and its verry interesting battle.
With Godde's aprovel i hope it will be commented:D.

http://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/155520


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USrankAdminCarRepairer
12 months ago
One more thing, turn off fog of war unless you want to look at it briefly to see if a player sees something. It's weird to see one of the players always in darkness.
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CArankAdminShadowfury333
12 months ago
(edited 12 months ago)


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USrankAdminCarRepairer: Is there a setting to make the player focus not change when selecting units? If so, I could just go into spectator view (hit '0') and have the vision from all players' units at once, rather than one at a time. That would keep all players' units in vision while making it obvious where there are units at all.

I can definitely zoom in more, and I would like to. I enjoy showing off visual effects, but I also want to make sure the viewer doesn't get disoriented. As for outlines, as nice as ZK models are, they aren't (nor should they be) photorealistic. People tend to complain a lot less about, and often even praise, non-photorealistic graphics when they have a hard outline or are Cel shaded. Those effects tend to skew expectations away from reproductive fidelity and towards art style and aesthetic appeal; which if you aren't CryTek, Epic, Bethesda, or id is generally what you want people to focus on.
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CZrankAdminLicho
12 months ago


Player focus on select is a widget that can be turned off..

Regarding LOS it would be best to show both player LOS at once
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USrankAdminCarRepairer
12 months ago
(edited 12 months ago)

Just click on the little radar button under the minimap to turn off the fog of war.

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I can definitely zoom in more, and I would like to. I enjoy showing off visual effects, but I also want to make sure the viewer doesn't get disoriented.


You can change the smoothness of the zoom using a slider in the Camera Control settings. I just get disappointed when there's a small battle and the viewers just see tiny tanks from a distance. I guess it's up to how carefully you handle the camera to keep them from getting disoriented. Doesn't have to be every 10 seconds, but at least a handful of times so folks can see the units up close.

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as nice as ZK models are, they aren't (nor should they be) photorealistic. People tend to complain a lot less about, and often even praise, non-photorealistic graphics when they have a hard outline or are Cel shaded.

I guess this is subjective, because I enjoy seeing the models up close without an outline. I do think that the intent is to be closer to photorealism, because the alternative is to look like cartoon sprites. Everything else in the game is also intended to look photorealistic, from the detailed terrain to the shadows. So in a way the outline actually clashes with the rest of the look, and becomes MORE noticeable and hard to ignore. Take for instance this other spring game called Conflict Terra. Their intent is cartooniness, and they even design their maps around that (trees and all). So outline fits perfectly with their game:




http://www.moddb.com/games/conflict-terra/images

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CArankAdminShadowfury333
12 months ago
(edited 12 months ago)


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One doesn't have to remove all detail to still allow for a slightly cartoon look. For example: Steel Storm:
http://www.steel-storm.com/gallery/Nov2011/ssbr_sshot_05.jpg
http://www.steel-storm.com/gallery/Nov2011/ssbr_sshot_03.jpg

I'll look into the zoom speed thing and spectator selection widget disabling.
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ATrankSkasi
12 months ago


Don't forget lucky's videos! It's just three and the first one's a bit low volume, but nevertheless:
http://www.youtube.com/user/luckywaldo7
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AUrankAdminSaktoth
12 months ago
(edited 12 months ago)


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Lucky is actually one of my favourite commentators, his voice is great and his knowledge of the game really shows. He should do more commentaries.

And Shadowfury has done another Zero-K replay! woo!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjhryXagc8g

P.S edited the images into links in the post before last, those images were too big).
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DErankAdminmojjj
11 months ago
(edited 11 months ago)


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possible candidates of high elo games (1700+)
Multiplayer B188101 11 on Bandit_Plains_v1
Multiplayer B188105 11 on SalmonStream
Multiplayer B188086 8 on Badlands
Multiplayer B188092 9 on Comet Catcher Redux
Multiplayer B188111 14 on Tabula-v4
Multiplayer B188116 10 on Icy Run v2
Multiplayer B188131 8 on MiniFolsomDamDeluxeV4-V2
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