Wishes for the next 2v2 tournament

quote: * Increase the stream delay

Has cheating been a problem?

quote: * Lock commanders to Commander Junior

Why? What is wrong with custom coms?

...everything?

Too much randomness.
Too much focus on a single unit.
Commander too big of an influence on smaller maps.
No good in-game interface to see morph options.
Kills early Energy eco-planning game.
Auto repair on big HP unit early in the game is too strong.
etc.

Yeah, our game on titan duel was pretty much decided when i left Drone's com with under 100 HP and couldnt finish it. Lost my entire air force there, got nothing in return because com just went back and regenned.

There's no point to have a unique unit for starting if the game isn't assassination centered like TA or SupCom, a standard unit would make more sense.

quote: Jump with long ranged weapons sounds basically OP, there is a reason Moderator cannot jump.

>Moderator
>Long ranged weapons

First of thanks for organizing, did not play but replays&casts provided some entertaimnent.

Maps:
except for Desert Needles: very "conservative" map pool. The player-picked maps too.
How about:
Aum http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/31740
Valley of Unrest http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/17508
Red Triangle Remake http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/9383
Hard Charge http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7490
Pathway http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/19668
Lava Highgrounds http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7553
imo nothing wrong with using FFA maps, they can be evenly split for 2 teams too.

quote: What is wrong with custom coms?

I watched some of the recorded casts and a few replays: It looked like zero-K:Commwars edition.
It seemed very focused on killing the enemy Commander. Either with your own Com or with bombers or with spam units. (for ex flash/panther)
Not so much focus on mapcontrol or raiding bases.
To me start of game is most interessting when it is about scouting/raiding and expanding, instead it was make-random-heavy-thing for compushing/killing.
A few such matches are ok, but when too many games start with such "cheese" is not so interessting anymore.
When there is Commander running around at front, providing all the energy of a player plus metal from reclaim, plus fighting enemy army, plus making turrets, plus enemy tries to snipe him: too com-centric.
I think just because something is "balanced by metal cost" that does not mean it is good for gameplay.

From player side I am personally not interessted in "learning" Commander modules: what chasis can have which upgrades, how they stack, how to counter them and all that. Imo disattracts from the RTS and is just gimmicky.

Replays:
archive played games by posting links in tourney thread.
Commenting on them brings them to the top now, but in few days they will be lost.
Maybe have loser post the replay links, like in some older tourneys.

quote: What do overdrivingscheme=communism and allyreclaim=1 do? It isnt anywhere in the wiki.

+ share metal income from reclaiming

quote: * Increase the stream delay

I told you before, a long stream delay messes up chat feedback, making it impossible to really communicate with people in Twitch chat. Also, as far as cheating goes, people can cheat via mumble or Skype with a patsy spectator, and any stream delay shorter than "watching the replay" is never going to be long enough (and just watching the replay takes out a lot of the steam of the stream).

quote: * Have it be a two-day tournament so players don't have to play 3+ hours in a row after midnight, that could also mean enough time for Double Elimination

I'm with GoogleFrog on changing the time to 0900 UTC. I realize I'd be up at 2AM, but it's on a Saturday so at least I can have a nap and have an evening afterwards. Commentating tends to keep me pumped anyway. 2 day long tournament would probably wear on people, especially since the second day is right before a work day. Double-elimination takes longer than you think.

quote: * Bring back team-spectator mode and allow one, two or even more slots

What exactly is this?

Fealthas, communism means all income from overdrive is shared equally. Right now people who build eco get slightly more until price of eco buildings is paid back. allyreclaim=1 means you can reclaim allied structures and units.

CarRepairer, regular games are not really competitive, especially in 10v10. Plus in 10v10s you normally have access to (almost) all units right from the start, that combined with the fact that the enemy has 10 commanders makes specializing in comm-killing much more efficient.

Shadowfury333, a two day tournament could be friday-saturday, or try to use holidays. It doesn't have to be all tournaments, so if we ever happen to hit a date where many players/countries/timezones can be available, that would be a good oppertunity.

Team-spectator mode means a player is part of a team, but does not control any units. They can point out important things to assist their team or teach new players. It's just like a helpful widget, but with a brain. Back then they could also replace people who dropped out of the game. That's probably not needed in a tournament, but still nice. I think this would improve the quality of a battle without making casting harder like a 3v3+.

quote: I sure hope we don't have to choose between one or the other.

Yah, hence the "both boring".

quote: There is easily enough potential for nearly all of the chassis (not quite sure about bombard Siege) to be viable alternatives to each other with minor tweaks.

Impart suggestions? Also ftfy.

:P