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Title: MM 1250: 1v1, Rank Neutron Star
Host: Nobody
Game version: Zero-K v1.8.10.0
Engine version: 104.0.1-1544-ge1f249f
Started: 3 years ago
Duration: 9 minutes
Players: 2
Bots: False
Mission: False
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Chance of victory: 41.1%

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Chance of victory: 58.9%

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3 years ago
What exactly is the hover counter to Archer?
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3 years ago
Claymore countered the whole Amphbot factory at one time.
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3 years ago
The hover counter to archer is patiently waiting until it is nerfed.

Until then, Claymore works as a stopgap for attacking submerged Archers, and you'll also need something to attack them when they surface and fight back and i'm not sure what that is.

Ships have the combination of corsair-seawolf, but yep, that's two units combination needed to beat one, and you end up having to dodge razor-sharp range margins between Seawolf or Duck or you're cooked anyway.

Archer is not just too much combat ability on surface, it's extreme utility in water in that it require the opponent to jump through so many narrow hoops to counter.
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Claymore works as a stopgap for attacking submerged Archers

That's not exactly a counter. Claymores trade at slightly less than even vs Archers (based on both tests and this game).
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3 years ago
Claymore 2x will counter archer hard if used correctly.
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Try scalpel + claymore 2:1 or 3:2. Throw in a lance every so often for buoy / grizzley counter.

Lead with claymore in front and scalpel in rear. Retreat claymore after firing and archers should be destroyed by scalpel or claymore bombs.
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3 years ago
unknownrankShaman: Scalpel only works if you are microing and your opponent isn't.

If they micro as well they'll sink the archers before the Scalpel hits then resurface afterwards. That said, Claymore+Scalpel sounds like it'll work, but the microing skill required may be beyond me. :/

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Huh.
I had no idea Scalpel missile AoE penetrates water.

Claymore micro vs Archer is tricky... Got to fight the Unit AI a lot, but they can kite.
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3 years ago
Even if they sink for the missile strike they're going to take some damage and leave themselves vulnerable to claymore coming in. This is a damned-damned situation. As the archer player your first strike ability is negated mostly due to claymore so you can't close in.
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