Disable elo if teams unbalanced or if teams have too massive elo disparity

with this concept you could make team elo more accurate

also i want people to enjoy playing uneven team games

there are multiple unvalid reason for people insisting on even numbers of players...

but one valid reason is that it's unfair in the elo sense

so remove that point of hesitation to allow people to think "ok maybe not so many want to play but this won't hurt me either"

losing points or gaining points hurts or happy, in subconcious calculation of effort/risk/reward, as proven by science studies on what makes MMO games addictive.

Just spam devs with suggestion to automatically place AI in place of any missing (both uneven teams and dropped during teh battle / resigned) player and everythings gonna be fine.

Flipstip I think by "unbalanced" AutoWar refers to uneven teams. Pretty sure that currently Springiees fail at predicting the (un)likeliness of a result for uneven teams. Such being the case, the current adjustment in elo gain/loss is not ideal.

quote: everyone on the same team counts as 1/N more players, including the two com player. However, Springiee fails into taking this into account, treating every player as 1 player. This means a 1300 player needs to play as a 1625 player in a 4v5 in order to keep the balance fair

And he does, because he has 25% more resources than the other team's 1300 guy. Of course in practice he just becomes a larger drain but remember that the rest of the team get increased resources as well so it averages out.

A matchmaker is coming Soon™-ish so the simple solution is to just have it only create proper even games.

quote: Taking your argument a -500 elo player would have to play as good as a -625 elo player.

You can't have a negative value in elo. This is an impossible scenario. The minimum elo is 1000.

One of my test results from 2014 is that the 2 coms team wins exactly as often as the bigger team. Probably this is still true with new income share. Probably the system compensates its own missweighting of 2 com players by distortions in the elo scale (influencing elo of players who tend to get 2 coms).

For the current system and all my new systems I have generalized formulas for giving any team number k any number X_k of extra coms and giving the extra coms player a new weighting 1+w*X_k, where w is a weighting constant for extra coms. In current discussion we only had w=0 or 1, but any 0<=w<=1 is possible. I didn't test those generalizations yet, because currently the system seems to compensate it, which probably causes other errors, though.

Of course restricting the system to only a certain kind of games will improve accuracy for those games as long as there are enough games of this type. But then balancing uneven teams with elo values that are only calculated from even teams with a non-generalized system could worsen uneven team balance. Seperate elos for even and uneven teams could be an improvement, but definitely too circumstantial for a little effect that is again achieved by elo distortions.
Besides proper matchmaking (which requires enough players and should still be possible to circumvent by !forcestart for private games) or AI, a real solution would be either a generalized system or a proof that no big improvement is possible considering the possibility of elo distortions.

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Have you treid losing 30 battles? Becasue as a new account it has elo nerf which goes off after few battels( duno the exact number).

SO basically new account is 1500 elo (or so) with a nerf to 1100. If u won 1st battle and should gain 50 elos, u'd get like 150. If u lost 1st battle and lost 50 elos, u'd still gain 50 due to nerf wearing of.