Vamp is piece of shit

I don't believe you. If it was shit then players wouldn't use/spam it. Players spend 1.6 times as much metal on Vamps as they do on Avengers. That's probably because Vamps make short work of anything, even inside enemy static AA.

They spend 1.6 time more metal on them because they hope that it is good. Description air superiority fighter.

Things where vamp is good:

1) fighting retreating vamps
2) fighting avengers
3) fighting bombers

And anywhere else it just suck bad. It is nothing what you expect from such name. It fails against gunships so bad, most of time it trys to get in position where it could shoot and not actually shooting. Missiles would help here.

Rafal you can emp krow if you are lucky with two emp bombers but you must be really lucky since if it is not moving in line where emp bomber is flying at it does very little emp damage. And of course if you succesfully emp it you still need emp drones to keep it emped and dumb enemy which doesnt make AA since those dies very easy.

> I'm not sure exactly what you are expecting, an instant 'win air control'?

BLOOD SUCKING BOOK KEEPER!

What it is
What you expect it would be

Make wamp counter krow but be countered by rapiers?

But don't ask me how to accomplish this.

I like it. Vamp is offensive aa. I'd hate to return to the days when the l2 fighter was the solution to all enemy air.

>Krow just has a lot of hp and can run back to aa.

THIS IS THE ILLNESS.

Vamp not being able to kill is just a symptom. Fix Krow and Vamp gets fixed automatically.

Basically, Krow outruns everything. It's faster than a raider! It goes against everything "assault unit" means. It has insane burst dps (one-shots a 12,000 HP Warlord for those still paying attention), can kill spam, and has own limited AA. It totally breaks any sort of attempt to define a role for this unit. It does every single role in the game: assault, skirmish, riot, AA, and anti-heavy. And it does them all extremely well. Except AA, which it does pretty darn well.

The worst part is that it has a limited set of (boring) mobile counters. Even the "best" AA in the game (Archangel) is still much, much slower and really serves as more of an almost-static (vs. mobile) defense vs Krows. Today Sak kept telling everyone to spam Vamps vs. Krow rush. Really? That's it?!? ZK is a game of MANY counters to each scenario, and the best Sak can say is to spam Vamps? A unit that is ONLY useful vs. other air? It's boring and reactive.

Is that the kind of game we want people playing? I can see it now:
>Ally 1: Enemy just finished Krow!
>Ally 2: Sigh, guess I'd better spam Vamps....
>Ally 1: Welcome to ZK.

Krows need to be less able to take out a huge swath of enemies in a single shot. Why not simple slow it down? It can be amazing vs. fixed defenses and poor vs. mobile units. It's ability to quickly move in, drop at 20K damage bomb, and move out quickly is simply too much.

Yeah best mobile counters are units with good speed and range:
-spider AA
-hover AA
-ship AA
-tank AA
-cloakbot AA (you need lots of them)

Well a 2 minute Krow in the hands of a good player is hard to kill yes.

Its alot easier to get player to help build a rush unit then to get them help counter one. They have already decided what they will do for the first 10 mins and rarely will change.