CoC-question

so, there is a contradiction in the CoC that bothers me because of a recent incidence.


3. Cooperate With Your Team
[...]
Understand that not everyone on your team will be willing or able to communicate and cooperate to the same degree; have patience with them and do your best even so.


"Not being able" is completely fine, but not "willing" makes no sense. In the incidence i talked earlier we kicked someone that sat at the back playing sim-city for multiple games in a row even if asked to at least participate. The person clearly knew english as shown later when they complained about the kick in the forum. I know very well that we shouldn`t kick people but at that point noone wanted to play if said individual would take part. It is not a new player either. (683 games played by the time i make this post)

So, what to do? Either kick and risk mod-action or "just don`t play" which would result in 7 people not playing because one person is unwilling to show the will to be part of the game?

It might be useful to rethink how the code of conduct is formulated so i don`t end up in a no-win-situation.

Thanks.

In first we need then define what is meaning 'cooperation with team'.
You see if Kapy thinks that my startegy to skuttle enemy coms is not cooperation then he is right? Or i have my own choice what starategy to use in game no matter what every other think? I had game where i was blamed cuz i build 'useless units' (skuttles and widov) and they are 'loosing because of it'. I was playing JJ and my allies at that side was spiders and cloaky. They lost their front to recluses, badger and some unit spam from enemy. Yes i later build firewalker and assist (and then they got bombed by air). However i don't understand why i was blamed for loss if only thing they needed was just build crab spire which countered that all recluses and badgers.. They couldn't cooperate themselves to win but they cooperated to blame me.
Of course there is cases where team start building two super weapons and player who started second don't even try read marks or chats that he is wasting resources. Or special lobsta strategy when morph big com to 10k and sit base with it.
Do shooting with firewalkers, tremoers is 'cooperation with team' when i have cloaker with snitches there or spy ready to stun enemy units? And then he continue fire wit that units while my units decloak and GG. Or some team memebers think that i build my cloaker specially for his kodachi or pyros when i doing snitch thing.
Or even better - i start mid playing with two lobstas who build big ball of units, active reclaim but cant build any radar or mex and going to feed many time with wrong units. When i start rage then answer is - 'why you are so toxic'?
Also our pluk trolling. Its cooperation when one pluk reclaim everything in front to build his DRP, nuke and then take all fame/awards for victory while his teammates pissing their blood on front?
Or even crane air? Morphed moho in mid base? Unprotected singu? Dirtbag spam? Storage spam? Detri rush?

Don't overthink code of conduct, it is more of what you might call 'a set of guidelines' anyway.

@HoovesNHorns

ok, then we have a set of guidelines that make no sense in themselves.

I have observed that people who are playing in ZK games are often exceptionally and mindblowingly bad at making reasonable judgements about whether somebody else is playing deliberately poorly or deliberately uncooperatively. This even extends to moderators who are playing a game, from time to time.

As such, whether or not the Code of Conduct does, should or will make any given degree of playing deliberately poorly or deliberately uncooperatively actionable, it seems to me like a VERY bad idea to have other players in the game, in the heat of the moment, adjudicate these kind of things.

quote: I agree on that and that is the dilemma: Neither do I want to kick people nor do I want 7 people to get game fun ruined because of 1 player putting their personal fun over them.

That's why i'm starting to sort which game i play seriously and which troll. Sometimes still i m in troll mod from start. Yes i'm sorting if team deserves serious play from me. Sometimes i feel sorry for some players in my team who fought seriously while i trolled so in next game i try seek my 'redemtion' and play seriously. I know that its bad practice. Some players in team even make me automatic troll. Sometimes i start in troll mode but later switch total seriously. And games won in such manner is best ones. I have seen that even Firepluk had such games.

quote: Neither do I want to kick people nor do I want 7 people to get game fun ruined because of 1 player putting their personal fun over them.

A game being "ruined" is rarely the result of one person playing suboptimal or for themselves. Often it is a combination of actions both preventable and unpreventable that culminate in sweeps or one sided games. Ill give you an example of a game that happened months ago without any names involved or map it was on.

This match was a 6v6 on a mixed map. With most players starting middle and 3 of them going gunships with one other player going hovers and myself amphs. Turns out not many players started right side (exactly 0) meanwhile the enemy side had a normal start. Was it the fault of any of the gunship players that would eventually result in a totally unenjoyable game? Or the one hover player who started mid right and completely ignored an entire flank?

Answer: no one single person was to blame for this. This was a result of poor communication, inadaptability, and a terrible start. A single cog being slightly out of place does not ruin the entire machine to the point of absolute one sidedness. Often it's many cogs missing or out of place (suboptimal play), structural damage (enemy raids/strategic plays), and some external conditions that make games one sided. Not that random noob making a little portress in the backline or certain individuals who play for themselves. Often its the combination of those two things combined with underperformance/enemy overperformance, and all the little things that happen in the game: The one mex that took you 30 seconds to get to, the time it takes you to grid up, the lack of energy in the first 60 seconds that causes you to excess a bit, the lack of raiding or that 98% attrition.