its probably godde tho he is currely unranked

Me :)

ps. If I had to decide, I think 1v1 ladder is most meaningful in testing actual zero-k game strength, only that doenst help with the question because Sigero barely plays 1v1....

me

i think godde is the best 1v1 player, though i have not seen manu12 play much so maybe I an not giving him much credit.

I've always felt Godde is #1. Not to say that the other guys aren't good, but I've been his lame sidekick in 2v2s against players that I considered way better than me and quite good and he's frankly like a hurricane. He got disconnected from the one game and I was hobbling along getting my ass beaten thoroughly when he reconnected and managed to salvage the situation from certain defeat.

Other guys in addition to Sigero and Manu12 that I consider top tier in 1v1 are Dregs and rAndy. They have similar energetic, indefatigable styles.

1v1 against Dregs is like getting stabbed in the face. nuff said.

I was 2v4 in Planetwars on rAndy's side once and I I asked him whether we should just resign. "I don't think so" was his answer - or it may have been something like "we have them where we want them", can't remember tbh. Much like Godde, he develops his position super fast and I mostly fiddled around while he chased off the other four players.

Kingstad is worth a mention too. He's one insanely stubborn MF and just never gives up. I cheeserushed him in a 1v1, flattened his base, took map control and should by all rights have won when he reisgned. But he didn't. He ground away for 30 minutes to recover from his original bad start while I lobsetered around and he got the W.

quote: I'd like to add that something that I experience against the very best players is a sense that the game is not behaving as it should. Their micro and apm is so high and good that units that 'usually' handle another unit without hassles are instead dying to their prey. It leterally feels like there's a malevolent force controlling the opponent units and that another level of play needs to be accessed just to level the playing field.

I have never played against any top 10 players, so I wouldn't know, but isn't that kind of the whole point of skill?

quote: As a top ten player who micros like a madman: No. There are a vast array of other skills than the ability to juke a Reaver to avoid Rogue shots. Particularly all the fog of war manipulation inherent in a 1v1 but also the judging the game state and team advice in a small teams game and the figuring out what special thing your team needs now in a lobsterpot (is it a silo? or an Iris?).

That's very true, there are more than a million things you can be good at in this game which is what I love about it.

but I was more referring to:

"Isn't it kind of the whole point of skill to be able to make something work when it isn't supposed to?"

Since i dont really frequent the 1v1 scene take my opinion with a grain of salt and also my subjective opinion of myself can also be wrong and thats ok,if you feel diffrently then please feel free to trash me,im just trying to be honest.

the best playersm for 1v1 in no particular order are imo:
Godde - most agressive lacks endgame power
Randy - most stable and best macro lacks endgame power
Drone - the porc lord just pure eco and porc/arty,the weakest in early game hardest to kill in lategame
Dregs - feels similar to randy but more agressive
izyraid - its hard to understand his strengths,sometimes his plays are top line but sometimes dose not work out very well,is not as stable as the rest but i feel he is very strong when at his peak
Manu - somehow he just wins i dont know how but he dose,his positioning is very good tho,other than that i really dont understand what makes him so strong
Zenfur - very good on defensive play and overall very stable a very versitile player with proper endgame play
Helwor - (hands down the best airplayer i have seen)
Me - i think i am the most versatile,but my macro sucks

the best in casual is hard to gauge because the effectivness depends too much on the team as a whole but i think i am the best here just because of experience and history of holding back entire teams with little support.one caveheat here im talking about big teams,small teams up to 5v5 are a lot more volatile and unpredictable because every players skill matters much more than in big teams.(high elo small teams are elo farms btw)

again in no particular order:
Me - i think im very versatile (air,eco rush,dante rush,frontline,support) whatever it is we need i can do it,still i think the best i can do is frontline i usually fight multiple ppl at same time,i dont think if thres just 1 guy holding me he will last long.
izirayd - very good clusterfuck player,i think he is the best air to have(maybe his input about his feeling when we are both air)
Firepluk - no joke firepluk strats in team games are very effective,he lacks versatility because once his strat is known he dose not change it and resigns when he fails his the best wildcard to have.
Manu - i have only ever seen manu be effective as a lance user,but i think he is the best lance user in big teams
Senaven - one word,roaches,by far the best cloaked roach player ever,i have seen him hold entire teams with just cloaked roaches,and he actually kiled a screened bantha with roaches ridiculous.
Anarchid - very versatile good knowledge and can play very good air and frontline support.
Anir - when playing at his best,he can fight multiple ppl at same time and win.
Zenfur - i think hes on similar level as me in clusterfucks,but i dont think hes as consistent as me

Clusterfuck is just hard to have a meaningfull impact,so i think ppl who can get high elo only from clusterfuck are great players.most of my elo is from clusterfuck i managed to get this high must mean something.

Maybe im beeing arrogant idk,correct me if you feel diffrently and think i missed someone anyway its hard to make decent arguments in few words