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1v1 Mirrors

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8 months ago
Just had a funny thought. What's everyone's favorite factory mirror in a 1v1 match? Why? What's the one you dislike the most? Which one is the easiest? Which one is the hardest?
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8 months ago
the hardest is two grey ranks rushing strider hub detriment.. i guess if they both do it its easy at the same time as impossible O.o

a close second hardest is maybe air vs cloaks or air vs sea
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8 months ago
Cliffy maps are more or less unplayable because of how miserable the linear escalation path of spider factory is.
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crab spam would be less op if widow could reliably emp crabs on spires but they cant because crab hitbox is over the lip of the spire

its a huge problem.. even flea can sometimes fail to shoot crabs on spire.. and forget trying to fight crabs with the rest of spider unit line up.. so it becomes crab vs crabs
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cloak mirror is fun

I would put it CvC JvJ SHvSH GSvGS SPvSP TvT SHIPSvSHIPS
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I like cloak v cloak the most. its pretty fun to micro glaives against glaives. the factory has all counters to itself, so the matchup feels very fair and balanced (which is somewhat ironic to say in a mirror matchup)

rover v rover is also pretty fun, but it can be pretty difficult. if you msmicro your scorchers, your opponents scorchers could easily take a strong position and now you're helpless because you cant chase scorchers with scorchers. a random raid of scorchers could beeline to your lab and instantly end the game. if you tech too late, your opponent might snowball a fanser or ravager advantage. if you tech too early, you might not be able to deal with scorchers. its all very difficult, but it doesn't feel painful because its so dynamic.


spider v spider is kinda unpopular, but I don't mind it. flea v flea battles in the opening can be fun, and I like using flea maphacks. I feel super op when I can kill a commander or an army for free because I used flea haphackz to see when they were out of position. I also feel like @Godde when I play (and win) spider v spider, probably from watching him and RUrankizirayd spam the matchup :P.

I don't play enough hover v hover, amph v amph, or jump v jump, shield v shield, or gs v gs to have any strong opinions, but I still have some first impressions . I think that jump v jump can feel weird since it seems like its a race to modspam? hover v hover feels like a dagger race -> mace race, but I'm not sure. shield v shield seems super weird, because I'm not sure if shieldballs can actually kill shieldballs.

I think I like tank v tank the least. the units can't really kill eachother, and this especially becomes more true as you tech up to tankier and tankier units. It's a ton of wet noodle fights with tanky units. it doesn't feel like I can interact with or counter my opponent. the games just feel bad.

I think that's all of them! so for me it would go CvC > RvR > SpvSp > HvH > JvJ > GSvGS > SHvSH > TvT
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8 months ago
I think the only one that actually tends to be fun is hover mirror until you escalate to cloaked Lance with Mace support. Spider is definitely such a boring and frustrating mirror though. Playing Venom into Venom somehow feels worse than playing any other raider into Venom. Hardest I guess is cloaky mirror because you escalate into actual gameplay(unlike every other factory) and you have Imp. Easiest I'd guess is tank mirror because its just buildorder-K.
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8 months ago
Cloaky mirror felt relaxing compared to the others especially tank v tank as 1 mistake in micro costs you more than CvC
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8 months ago
My favourite would be amph vs amph as every unit is potentially useful. Least favourite would be Jump vs jump as that is just mod spam. Very unfun.
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