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Title: [A] Teams All Welcome #1
Host: Nobody
Game version: Zero-K v1.13.9.5
Engine version: 2025.04.11
Battle ID: 2317642
Started: 12 hours ago
Duration: 21 minutes
Players: 14
Bots: False
Mission: False
Rating: Casual
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Team 1
Chance of victory: 51.7%

ZArankVenomised
USrankddd356
ROranksirpuffsallot1
NLrankDefecant
RUrankSTORMEV
GBrankAlbator
ITrankdrint3nso
Team 2
Chance of victory: 48.3%

DErankPLT_mayxi
BArankXenomorpHer
RUrankAO
DErankRadP
JPrankQrow
RUrankdoctorche
DErankKikaJan

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Was repeatedly harassed this game for making constructors, deciding to prioritize swift into fusion for magpie later. I understand it if its egregious, but the fact of the matter is that by the time i had enough swifts to deal with GS, the enemy had substantial ground AA and I would have been unable to deal with them anyways.

I know I am the Magpie guy, but please do not tell me to spam Magpie instantly without consideration for the eco math....
+2 / -0
Overall I think you were fine. I think you performed at your elo but you could have easily been punished by common swift openers. Your build was both risky and inefficient.

Two naked cranes to spend the metal you don't have? Double pylon rush? Two urchins to protect a marginal tidal farm in the first couple minutes?

I think the fusion was fine and made sense given your intention to make magpie, although you'd invested in protecting the tidals so expanding that might have been better.

I don't think TAW is a great place to settle disputes, Xeno sounds stressed as they're forced to pick up other people's slack. But I think if you're consistently getting criticism from highly rated players (and there is a big gap regardless of how many books you've written) you should try to listen. It won't all be useful, but double naked crane when you have no metal is a godawful opener and if you want to grow you need to understand why. Don't think that just because you have pronounced strengths you don't also have pronounced weaknesses.
+0 / -0
Well, this report could have been handled quietly, but since you are determined to make a circus on the forum let's take a look at what BArankXenomorpHer actually said and what actually happened in this game...

quote:
XenomorpHer (pregame): this is the worst spot for planes

Referring to the back island. Doesn't seem abusive to me.

quote:
XenomorpHer (1:30): can you pls plane and not build

Said after building the second Crane. Whatever you think about the merits of this request, it was expressed politely.

quote:
XenomorpHer (2:50): bombers man

Again, this is a request, not abuse. Your team was not having a good time contesting mex on the front line and could not afford to have a player sitting at the back contributing nothing.

quote:
XenomorpHer (4:40): useless

This is the one thing that XenomorpHer said which I can at all construe as harassment. I do not think it rises to the level of being modactionable.

quote:
(towards endgame:)
Qrow so tired of my team flaming me committing reportable offenses while i have to change my entire setup halfway through to accomod
Qrow accomodate them
Qrow and STILL having highest value killed
XenomorpHer you took 10 mins to make magpies man
XenomorpHer thats criminal
XenomorpHer while we died on front
Qrow have you literally ever seen eco air players
Qrow do not tell me you have never played taw
XenomorpHer wow sorry fusion eco
Qrow bro you flamed me for making a CON
XenomorpHer that fusion won
XenomorpHer u have no idea what eco is
Qrow you have no idea how to play bombers clearly
Qrow you are aware you need a fusion or geo to magpie right
Qrow did you even read the whole ass book i wrote about this?
Qrow do your homework and come back
XenomorpHer just lol
XenomorpHer nvm im dumb ur smart sry
Qrow just egregious flaming
Qrow please report XenomorpHer for actual in game text abuse
BArankXenomorpHer yeah
XenomorpHer im abuser

I think that you come out of this exchange looking worse than XenomorpHer.

(With the exception that they are having this argument in allchat as a spectator. But you did start it.)
+1 / -0
I decided this bit (thinking more about strategy and gameplay assessment than whether harassment had occurred) didn't belong in my "speaking-with-admin-hat-on" post.

quote:
XenomorpHer (pregame): this is the worst spot for planes

I weakly agree with the sentiment; starting on the back island makes it impossible to plate or con-blueprint a land teammate, and you are extremely vulnerable to amph shenanigans.

quote:
XenomorpHer (1:30): can you pls plane and not build

I think that in the vast majority of cases [Spoiler] building any Cranes, especially early, indicates that the planes player or their team has blundered badly. In this case I can see why you made one Crane to take the mex on the low ground in front of you - this is kind of the consequence of where you and your team chose to start.

I am struggling to express my sentiments about the SECOND crane with anywhere close to the politeness which XenomorpHer showed. If nothing else, it was strictly worse than a Caretaker.

quote:
XenomorpHer (4:40): useless

At the moment this was said, all you had contributed to your team was (a) taking a few mex, (b) a little scouting and (c) one or two engagements with Swift which left more dead Swift reclaim in enemy territory than you destroyed.

(The fusion was mostly complete - but your team already had plenty of energy income.)

quote:
while i have to change my entire setup halfway through to accomod

Adjusting your plans to what the other team does, and hence what your teammates need of you, is what good team-play looks like.

quote:
Qrow and STILL having highest value killed
XenomorpHer you took 10 mins to make magpies man
XenomorpHer thats criminal
XenomorpHer while we died on front

Running up the score in "garbage time" while your team has already lost doesn't mean very much.

quote:
Qrow have you literally ever seen eco air players
Qrow do not tell me you have never played taw

I have played TAW and I mostly hate having these players on my team.

quote:
XenomorpHer wow sorry fusion eco
Qrow bro you flamed me for making a CON
XenomorpHer that fusion won
XenomorpHer u have no idea what eco is
Qrow you have no idea how to play bombers clearly
Qrow you are aware you need a fusion or geo to magpie right

Maybe, just maybe, this is a reason not to magpie in a 7v7 with small rush distance?
+0 / -0

4 hours ago
I second the notion that using your existing Crane to expand your Tidal Generator farm in parallel with your Magpie fleet was a better idea than making a Fusion Reactor and waiting for it to finish before making any bombers. The tidal is only slightly less efficient but kicks in sooner:

Fusion Reactor - 1000 metal for 35 energy
29 Tidal Generators - 1015 metal for 34.8 energy
+0 / -0