stiletto is OP

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+1, it causes stalemates in teamgames because penetrative raids are instantly nullified

avenger spam works because of double coms, not because of something else.Stilleto is op?Tell me how will you stop 2000 m k ravagers if they attack?.What other unit can counter massive ravager spam?

I mean when they RUn, and when they cant be chased, that's what i meant.It's not 20 spy above wolas, it needs like 15 stilletos to stun full hp detriment, or 10 stilletos to stun for 10 seconds half hp detriment.About bantha...it needs like 4-5 stilletos to stun it, if they reach in time.Also they die fast to hacksaw, i don;t se any point in telling they are op again, because if you want to counter planes from ground it won't be fair.Because planes are made to attack and retreat fast, and this is why you hate stilleto.Also it only need 1 air player in your team and the game is a win for both sides.

2 stilletos stun 1 goliath, and 1 stilleto stuns reaper.Sumo needs 2, and Grizzly, what's weird it is stunned from only 1 stilleto.This kind of planes are efficient if they are used for big units with metal value more then >600 m.If you use them against small units you lose time and other precious targets.Also if you want to stun a shieldball with 3-4 aspis and a felon it won't work, i tried it many times when they were with full recharged shields, and even with 2 stilleto one after the other.Gues what they both died, to felons.If you want to mess up with the stilletos, you only need a newton on repulsion, and you will se what it does to it.
Also stilletos are hard to micro when you want something stunned, i don;t know if the bug is over now, but i still use the A attack on ground or unit every time, and when the stilleto starts to shoot the lightning i most of the times direct it to have full stun potential.So stilleto is not about OP,it''s about how you use it that makes it "op"".I saw newcommers or 40-30 level players that use stilleto without directing it's attack, or aranging it in a way that it will have ful stun potential, evade aa,and don;t stun your ally's units.It is really hard to micro it when it comes to stunning close counter battles in the map.

yes, it is too generalist.

quote: Also if you want to stun a shieldball with 3-4 aspis and a felon it won't work

only if you sent them alone, put a couple of wamps as a spearhead (standard procedure for bombing non-defenseless targets) and…but I guess you know that already

quote: if you want to counter planes from ground it won't be fair

By this logic how is countering ground from planes fair?

quote: 1 stilleto stuns reaper

but not just 1 reaper, but ALL the reapers in a group,

quote: stilettos are hard to micro

harder than attempting to micro mobile AA into ignoring the vamps and aiming at the stilettos while keeping adequate range coverage in order to take them out before they stun a large portion of the assault force while managing said assault force and keeping the AA safe?( so far I have no see this successfully done )

Note that hacksaw and Newton are both statics and not viable for use in defending a penetrative assault

quote: It takes 2 spyes to stun dante, and it has clock,thus making it unpredictable

spy has significant E cost while moving, can be countered with a few raiders or an outlaw, does not counter any units supporting the dante and if dante has any support spies are dead, also the speed of the stiletto makes it equally unpredictable un the frontline, if not more so.

quote: making 1200 metal stilletos to stun 3200 Dante doesnt work well if you lose the stiletos over and over again

unless stunning the dante causes it to be killed it which case they make cost quite well (and if you wait for dante to be outside of allied static AA coverage the odds are not bad)

emp damage is probably too high. Should become an anti swarm emp not anti heavy.

I actually love it's mechanics. You have to go in, when they are clear of AA, EMP them and have a land force waiting there ready to go to sweep in and take advantage. Almost no unit in the game has such synergy, often between players.

The fact it can stun an overextended large unit (we need more of this), the fact you can direct the path of its lightning by giving it orders, and the fact that can enfilade a whole line of enemies is all great.

But it really demolishes shields, as such, I've considered lowering the total DPS output but upping the AoE, to keep the damage on any set of targets the same (since they'll be hit by more AoE's) but lowering the total DPS output of the projectiles (That hit shields). Then nerfing shields a bit.

its not too generalist, it costs 1200 metal to stun any one of the heavy units (at 2000+ metal). compared to that, it takes 440? metal to stun one of the exact same heavies with spies. do you see the difference here?

emp bomber as an area weapon does work against heavies because its

a) airs only option to deal with heavies in short time, unless you have a ton of shadows
b) because its a huge overnuke to use them on heavies in the first place, because 90% of the ae ist lost on them. for 600 metal you could exspect a dedicated anti-heavy emp weapon to stun a unit with some 10-12k hp realibly with a single attack, like a spy for 220 metal stuns up to 8k.

emp bomber is uneffective vs heavies. its already IS an antiswarm weapon because its not a very effective counter to heavies, considering both cost and risk involved. it costs more than other counters, its easier to counter than other counters, and its also mostly a suicide weapon. its hard to use right, its risky for your teammates. also its needed as a counter for shieldballs.

also is dont see why we need this thread. there is a perfectly fine other thread that discusses the potential opness of stiletto, and if i remember it right it was frequently visited by [pikts]wolas.

but the worst thing is that you people in your mindless rage, and i mean it, you bring all the facts mixed up. so does a stiletto really stun "all the reapers in a group"? no, it most likely doesnt, it stuns like 2 for 10 secs, 2 for 2 secs and 2 wont get stunned at all. does it really emp units covered by aa? that depends how the situation and what aa. anglers for example shine at shooting down bombers before they drop their bomb, but ofc YOU NEED A FUCKING FEW. YOU CANNOT COUNTER MY STILETTO WITH A WANDAL. but you can btw absolutely destroy it with like 10, or more, because wandal has high missile velocity.

you air haters are real babies, and you should learn how to play air yourselves before bringing up ridiculous stuff like that. 90% of the people posting here never play air, and suck when they try, and would come to complain how bad air is and how weak and how they want it buffed.