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Please fix the balancer

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11 years ago
I'am sorry to ask this considering people playing with their friends but please disable the balancer team consideration when there is more than 2 ppl of same team with elo > to 1500. I am fed up with means machine stack leading to 3 min games.
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Well the problem is not with the balancer, but with the lack of player, there are simply not enough player to balance the game right. the balancer work relatively well enough.

and it was a clan stack, usually you can talk to the clan stack and convince some of them to spec. but you should also consider that they are in the same clan, which meant that they don't really like fighting against each other.

you can also ask for a !balance and !forcestart, which should balance the game regardless of the clan stack.
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11 years ago
If you can't fight the enemy, join them. Muhaha.
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Sorry but you aren't going to convince anyone here of doing something that they do not like for the sake of people with less then 1500 elo. Also Mean is probably the most reasonable clan worth existing for the purposes of winning, you should be able to convince them to spec, as AUrankSortale said. The elo tolerance of clanbalancing is 150 at the moment and CZrankAdminLicho said he wanted it to stay like that.
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Mean MACHINESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.C21...get a clan and proper constant players in it and you will have the same thing.Remember if there are 2000 elo clan players in a team they will have full nabcstacks, and the only thing for you to do is to attack big elo players and you win, nothing more.Its verry hard when you have nabstack and when you can relly just on 1 player out of 10 in your team and i dont find that funny.What makes us win in those situations is cooperation.If you watch replays you will see tons of times when i ask Saabir or Rafal, Sheep or other players something and they listen.Same happens when they ask me.So the problem here is not the unfair balance, its the cooperation that your team needs to have.So take into consideration the fact that you need to try and talk with your team and get some positive response on the cooperation i told you about.
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Skasi
11 years ago
150 is too much, it's about 2/3 chance to win for the higher team.
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11 years ago
Actually I think 150 is ok, but indeed we have low player base and you should keep in mind that you can't solo entire team game, so joining clans makes an obvious choice.
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11 years ago
150 doesn't make any sense, it should consider average game elo and number of player, actually I experiments lot's of game totally unbalanced cause of means machineS stack. There is only ONE clan with lot's of good active players so don't speak about general consideration. I'd be perfectly fine with a mean machines split otherwise. I'am not a crying child and i wouldn't ask this if i wasn't really fed up about this repeating situation. If the only thing remaining to avoid this is to smurf, so i will.
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11 years ago
Maybe replace 150 be by average clan stack elo minus average remaining team elo divided by something inversely proportional to number of player in team.

The result itself is divided by higher team elo and multiplied by lower one.



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Are you sure you understood how elo works? 150 elo difference means the same predicted winchance for 1500 vs 1650 as for 2000 vs 2150...
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11 years ago
How can i edit a fix ?

To clarify my last post

if team 1 as the clan stack and highest avg elo.

( ( (clan stack avg elo - remaining team 1 avg elo) * (2/nb of player in team) ) / team 2 avg elo ) * team 1 avg elo
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11 years ago
Edit a post, not a fix :p
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And what does that formula yield?
Btw, click on the pen below your name in the post.
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Oh didn't noticed it ^^ thx.
Well it allows elo difference to increase when team size or standard deviation in team increase (consider noob stack if you prefer) and is pondered by unbalance coeff
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11 years ago
I mean, what does that formula calculate? Amount of pineapples i can buy for three bananas?
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it is in replacement of the 150 value. Max elo difference between the two team when a clan stack fucks the balance
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11 years ago
You should ask about it in #zkdev. The lack of input from CZrankAdminLicho leads me to believe that it will not happen.
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11 years ago
That formula is nonsense. It does not matter if you have a clanstack if it can be compensated with low elo players. Like it does in 90 % of the games.
If you want a full active clan all you have to do is remove the password, accept anyone (all elo) and keep kicking the inactives. Also try to get in 1 high elo to work as a magnet for people to join. In several months you will have a clanstack too.
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11 years ago
Like 3 magnets:D...or 5
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11 years ago
Let's have a special room that blocks the commands !balance !cbalance and doesn't balance on start.
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