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I totally agree praising good performance is a good idea! Just to add to that, I think the following is roughly what happens:
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I totally agree praising good performance is a good idea! Just to add to that, I think the following is roughly what happens:
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1) Newbies and trolls both arrive and do silly stuff that makes it impossible for a team to win, even with the elo system.
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1) Newbies and trolls both arrive and do silly stuff that makes it impossible for a team to win, even with the elo system.
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2) Others cannot tell difference between trolls and newbies
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2) Others cannot tell difference between trolls and newbies
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3) Some people will try to make positive suggestions/advice. Trolls will ignore this, but for newbies it doesn't work very well either, because:
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3) Some people will try to make positive suggestions/advice. Trolls will ignore this, but for newbies it doesn't work very well either, because:
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3a)
The
advice
is
brief
and
not
explained
well,
because
its
in-game
and
no-one
has
time
to
explain
well.
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3a)
The
advice
is
brief
and
not
explained
well
"EXPAND
NUB!",
because
its
in-game
and
no-one
has
time
to
explain
well.
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3b) There is too much advice too quickly to understand, because ZK is complex and learning it takes time.
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3b) There is too much advice too quickly to understand, because ZK is complex and learning it takes time.
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3c)
Advice
appears
offensive,
because
newbie
doesn't
want
advice,
or
the
advice
is
brief,
or
the
advice
seems
uninvited.
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3c)
Advice
appears
offensive,
because
newbie
doesn't
want
advice,
or
the
advice
is
brief,
or
the
advice
seems
uninvited,
or
the
newbie
just
thinks
they
are
already
a
good
player.
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3d) Advice is contradictory, coming from many people, including some who don't know what they are talking about. Because elo is hidden by default, the newbie has no way to tell who they should be listening to.
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3d) Advice is contradictory, coming from many people, including some who don't know what they are talking about. Because elo is hidden by default, the newbie has no way to tell who they should be listening to.
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4) Other people will get angry at the person because they think the person might be a troll.
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4) Other people will get angry at the person because they think the person might be a troll.
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4a) Trolls drink tears, so this usually encourages them.
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4a) Trolls drink tears, so this usually encourages them.
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4b) Newbies are insulted, and will leave.
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4b) Newbies are insulted, and will leave.
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In order to reduce false positives (4b), which harms game a lot, it would be necessary to explain better to newbies how to play team game BEFORE they join big games. A manual/documentation will not do this. It's a game, virtually no-one reads the manual. And I don't think advice + reward/punish works very well alone (see above).
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In order to reduce false positives (4b), which harms game a lot, it would be necessary to explain better to newbies how to play team game BEFORE they join big games. A manual/documentation will not do this. It's a game, virtually no-one reads the manual. And I don't think advice + reward/punish works very well alone (see above).
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Ways this happens or could happen in ZK (including observational learning):
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Ways this happens or could happen in ZK (including observational learning):
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> Learn 1v1 a little first, which gives basics for teams.
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> Learn 1v1 a little first, which gives basics for teams.
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> Better tutorial missions to explain team skills
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> Better tutorial missions to explain team skills
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> Lock teams room until beat a good AI (Circuit?)
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> Lock teams room until beat a good AI (Circuit?)
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> Organize mentors (how?)
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> Organize mentors (how?)
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I also think elo should be visible, even considering downsides of elo=ego. At very least some basic category that gives some useful information to new players about who is good to listen to.
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I also think elo should be visible, even considering downsides of elo=ego. At very least some basic category that gives some useful information to new players about who is good to listen to.
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That's my view on the topic anyway. I'm not even sure the topic itself isn't just a masterful trolling by Shaman lol.
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That's my view on the topic anyway. I'm not even sure the topic itself isn't just a masterful trolling by Shaman lol.
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Psychology of Zero-K