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[q] I did not say that. Who's straw-manning whom now? [/q]
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[q] I did not say that. Who's straw-manning whom now? [/q]
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maybe i interpreted your post wrong. i thought if you would see this as an example that you don`t support yourself, you would have used: "this game could be played in reverse" instead of "this game can be played in reverse." my bad.
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maybe i interpreted your post wrong. i thought if you would see this as an example that you don`t support yourself, you would have used: "this game could be played in reverse" instead of "this game can be played in reverse." my bad.
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[q] Where did you read that? [/q]
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[q] Where did you read that? [/q]
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I did not read that but conclude it from expierience. I don`t think i recall a single instance where any new player recieved mod-action because of their playing (and this is more than absolutely fine and ok). Plus, there is no requirement to fulfil to join multiplayer. This leads me to believe that the official line of admins is that everyone can play without having to face any requirements.
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I did not read that but conclude it from expierience. I don`t think i recall a single instance where any new player recieved mod-action because of their playing (and this is more than absolutely fine and ok). Plus, there is no requirement to fulfil to join multiplayer. This leads me to believe that the official line of admins is that everyone can play without having to face any requirements.
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[q] What is the limit of responsibility that you are willing to demand? How will you check for that? [/q]
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[q] What is the limit of responsibility that you are willing to demand? How will you check for that? [/q]
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The only thing one CAN demand imho is that players somehow know how to control this game on an absolute basic level.
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The only thing one CAN demand imho is that players somehow know how to control this game on an absolute basic level.
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- know how to select units and buildings
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- know how to select units and buildings
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- have a vague idea that income and map control are related
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- have a vague idea that income and map control are related
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- have an idea that the game is about annihilating your enemy. (i know that sounds funny but somehow you get the feeling that some players do assume their enemies will go away by themself. ok, suggestive.) In this case, you cannot do more than somehow tell them: "please be aware that if you chose to play in a team with others, they need your participation."
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- have an idea that the game is about annihilating your enemy. (i know that sounds funny but somehow you get the feeling that some players do assume their enemies will go away by themself. ok, suggestive.) In this case, you cannot do more than somehow tell them: "please be aware that if you chose to play in a team with others, they need your participation."
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I have no solution for the problem @Lu5ck named in their post, other than allowing to kick those people, but this is not wanted for reasons i completely agree on. "Playing bad" is a mostly subjective thing, "doing it deliberately" is a very subjective thing. It would open a rabbit-hole of abuse. (But even this has some limits for me personally, see http://zero-k.info/Forum/Thread/32188)
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I have no solution for the problem @Lu5ck named in their post, other than allowing to kick those people, but this is not wanted for reasons i completely agree on. "Playing bad" is a mostly subjective thing, "doing it deliberately" is a very subjective thing. It would open a rabbit-hole of abuse. (But even this has some limits for me personally, see http://zero-k.info/Forum/Thread/32188)
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The only thing that can be done is to actively remind people that they take on some responsibility when going into team-games and to enforce a mini-tutorial so you don`t get the ones that sit around and try to figure out how to build stuff for example while their team gets killed. Those are not that many (sadly, in comparison to the people @Lu5ck mentioned), but they exist. It is the only screw that can be adjusted as far as i see. So in my understanding this would mean setting a competence bar that:
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The only thing that can be done is to actively remind people that they take on some responsibility when going into team-games and to enforce a mini-tutorial so you don`t get the ones that sit around and try to figure out how to build stuff for example while their team gets killed. Those are not that many (sadly, in comparison to the people @Lu5ck mentioned), but they exist. It is the only screw that can be adjusted as far as i see. So in my understanding this would mean setting a competence bar that:
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- sits like 0.5 mm above the ground
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- sits like 0.5 mm above the ground
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- doesn`t ask more than for example to get familiar with the rules of a game of volleyball before you enter a running match
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- doesn`t ask more than for example to get familiar with the rules of a game of volleyball before you enter a running match
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- doesn`t need to be enforced later because people had to do it. If they don`t care i can`t help it, but at least that makes it easier to judge if they are trolling or not.
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- doesn`t need to be enforced later because people had to do it. If they don`t care i can`t help it, but at least that makes it easier to judge if they are trolling or not.
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I am aware that nothing helps against a lack of talent or a lack of cognitive ability, and i do not want those who suffer from that be punished by anyone either (at least not for their deficiencies themself)
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I am aware that nothing helps against a lack of talent or a lack of cognitive ability, and i do not want those who suffer from that be punished by anyone either (at least not for their deficiencies themself)
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