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[q]There is nothing cloaky can do in these losing scenarios, not even run away due to their slow speed.[/q]
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[q]There is nothing cloaky can do in these losing scenarios, not even run away due to their slow speed.[/q]
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Cloaky being called slow kind of raises an eyebrow.
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Cloaky being called slow kind of raises an eyebrow.
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[q]Cloaky simply has zero answer for many threats.[/q]
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[q]Cloaky simply has zero answer for many threats.[/q]
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Yes.
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Yes.
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I
would,
however,
claim
that
the
list
of
threats
that
Cloaky
has
absolutely
no
answer
to
is
considerably
smaller
than
the
analogous
list
for
other
factories.
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I
would,
however,
claim
that
the
list
of
threats
that
Cloaky
has
absolutely
no
answer
to
is
considerably
smaller
than
the
analogous
list
for
(
most)
other
factories.
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It's one of the most versatile factories available.
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It's one of the most versatile factories available.
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[q]recluses[/q]
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[q]recluses[/q]
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A Phantom makes 300 metal per shot when fighting Recluse from absolute safety. The other spiders except Flea, Hermit and Crab are also all in the perfect cost and health range to be oneshot for significant profit. Not making Phantom because "expensive" or because "fleas" is an excuse for a mistake.
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A Phantom makes 300 metal per shot when fighting Recluse from absolute safety. The other spiders except Flea, Hermit and Crab are also all in the perfect cost and health range to be oneshot for significant profit. Not making Phantom because "expensive" or because "fleas" is an excuse for a mistake.
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[q]crabe[/q]
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[q]crabe[/q]
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These are a lot more difficult, yes. Crab is a heavy, and Cloaky doesn't have a real antiheavy (something it shares with quite a few other factories!).
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These are a lot more difficult, yes. Crab is a heavy, and Cloaky doesn't have a real antiheavy (something it shares with quite a few other factories!).
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However, Crab also costs more than a facswitch to any factory or tech that does have the answer [i]in a symmetric scenario[/i]. In an asymmetric scenario where you are required to make 3x cost to even stay afloat, the most you can spend on defeating a crab is 500.
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However, Crab also costs more than a facswitch to any factory or tech that does have the answer [i]in a symmetric scenario[/i]. In an asymmetric scenario where you are required to make 3x cost to even stay afloat, the most you can spend on defeating a crab is 500.
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Frankly, what can do that? Jugg comes closest, but it alone costs more than the Crab. Herc, perhaps? My argument here is that you can't blame it on Cloaky being sux because this is a significant problem for everyone.
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Frankly, what can do that? Jugg comes closest, but it alone costs more than the Crab. Herc, perhaps? My argument here is that you can't blame it on Cloaky being sux because this is a significant problem for everyone.
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[q]firewalker[/q]
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[q]firewalker[/q]
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Firewalker is problematic because of its anti-cloak properties and greater range than Ronin. Phantom oneshots it though, if you can approach despite the flames. 2 Scythe will usually kill the Firewalker before being stopped, but that is only 2x cost.
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Firewalker is problematic because of its anti-cloak properties and greater range than Ronin. Phantom oneshots it though, if you can approach despite the flames. 2 Scythe will usually kill the Firewalker before being stopped, but that is only 2x cost.
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As with the Crab, what would you counter Firewalker with from other factories? Lance and Emissary have the same issue of being no hardcounter. Ravens suffer from the attrition constraint. Merlin totally works but you're in no position to afford one unless you won the raider phase super hard.
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As with the Crab, what would you counter Firewalker with from other factories? Lance and Emissary have the same issue of being no hardcounter. Ravens suffer from the attrition constraint. Merlin totally works but you're in no position to afford one unless you won the raider phase super hard.
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[q]badgers[/q]
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[q]badgers[/q]
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If you cannot raid (because presumably the opponent has 3x your army size *and* screens them with riots), you'll have to facswitch to a Firewalker.
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If you cannot raid (because presumably the opponent has 3x your army size *and* screens them with riots), you'll have to facswitch to a Firewalker.
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[q]pretty much any skirmisher which has good range.[/q]
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[q]pretty much any skirmisher which has good range.[/q]
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Phantom.
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Phantom.
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I'll have to properly watch this game at some point, but from what i remember of this challenge being played on CCR is that if you've gotten to a point where they have Badger and Firewalker and you just can't raidswarm that, you've already lost no matter what factory you are, unless you cheat with terraform and Cerberus.
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I'll have to properly watch this game at some point, but from what i remember of this challenge being played on CCR is that if you've gotten to a point where they have Badger and Firewalker and you just can't raidswarm that, you've already lost no matter what factory you are, unless you cheat with terraform and Cerberus.
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