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[q]How is that different from calling for collusion against a specific clan that is currently being investigated for collusion?[/q]
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[q]How is that different from calling for collusion against a specific clan that is currently being investigated for collusion?[/q]
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In exactly the same way that targeting the room's top ranking player does not specifically call for a hunt against @Godde.
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In exactly the same way that targeting the room's top ranking player does not specifically call for a hunt against @Godde.
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[q]While the difference between the legal pre-game statement "Player A and B are likely to team up, so watch out for that" and the illegal pre-game statement "I think clan X will collude even though they say they won't so lets ally against them" might seem subtle, but I think there is an important distinction to make here. The suspected colluders can answer the question honestly if we accept that there is no lying allowed before a FFA game starts. Any ingame alliance between the clan would then be incidental depending on the circumstances of the FFA and diplomacy ingame.[/q]
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[q]While the difference between the legal pre-game statement "Player A and B are likely to team up, so watch out for that" and the illegal pre-game statement "I think clan X will collude even though they say they won't so lets ally against them" might seem subtle, but I think there is an important distinction to make here. The suspected colluders can answer the question honestly if we accept that there is no lying allowed before a FFA game starts. Any ingame alliance between the clan would then be incidental depending on the circumstances of the FFA and diplomacy ingame.[/q]
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I think if it turns out that the accusation was repeatedly wrong, future alliances based on it will be improbable, and anyone crying wolf in such a way will find themselves considered untrustworthy.
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I think if it turns out that the accusation was repeatedly wrong, future alliances based on it will be improbable, and anyone crying wolf in such a way will find themselves considered untrustworthy.
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Contrarily, if it turns out that the call to arms was correct in some sufficiently high amount of cases, it will solidify.
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Contrarily, if it turns out that the call to arms was correct in some sufficiently high amount of cases, it will solidify.
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How high an apriori probability of collusion would you accept as threshold for action?
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How high an apriori probability of collusion would you accept as threshold for action?
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FYI,
I
consider
all
of
the
multidirectional
attempts
to
supplant
the
organic
systems
of
reputation
and
common
knowledge
with
some
prescriptive
code,
as
presented
on
ZK
forums
so
far
to
be
highly
suspect,
including
but
not
limited
to
both
GoogleFrog's
and
yours.
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FYI,
I
consider
all
of
the
multidirectional
attempts
to
supplant
the
organic
systems
of
reputation
and
common
knowledge
with
some
prescriptive
code,
as
presented
on
ZK
forums
so
far,
to
be
highly
suspect,
including
but
not
limited
to
both
GoogleFrog's
and
yours.
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I don't think any systematizing intervention is required per se. Perhaps it is useful to try to systematize those things to understand them better, or to somehow pour water on the "escalation" as discussed above in this thread, but that's another story.
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I don't think any systematizing intervention is required per se. Perhaps it is useful to try to systematize those things to understand them better, or to somehow pour water on the "escalation" as discussed above in this thread, but that's another story.
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[q]Illegal statements
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[q]Illegal statements
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We are clan X and we will completely defeat all other players before attacking eachother.
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We are clan X and we will completely defeat all other players before attacking eachother.
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I and player X will be allied when the game starts regardless of all other players.
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I and player X will be allied when the game starts regardless of all other players.
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I think clan X are allied even though they say they are not so lets ally against them.[/q]
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I think clan X are allied even though they say they are not so lets ally against them.[/q]
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I guess you are suggesting for things like this to be reportable and bannable, including if done in retaliation?
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I guess you are suggesting for things like this to be reportable and bannable, including if done in retaliation?
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I think it's a pretty tough ask for players in games in which Clan X participates and colludes repeatedly to feign ignorance and not act on their metagame knowledge. I also think this will probably be very difficult to enforce.
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I think it's a pretty tough ask for players in games in which Clan X participates and colludes repeatedly to feign ignorance and not act on their metagame knowledge. I also think this will probably be very difficult to enforce.
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FFA: Calling for a systematic hunt for P1s.