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[quote]@Bakuhatsu your post describing mod deliberation behind closed doors comes off as hiding behind the CoC and policies.
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[quote]@Bakuhatsu your post describing mod deliberation behind closed doors comes off as hiding behind the CoC and policies.
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What was the intended outcome of the modkick? Do you think it achieved this outcome?
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What was the intended outcome of the modkick? Do you think it achieved this outcome?
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It sounds like a conclusion was that there was an error in reading the team's attitude towards the player. Do you think there should be an apology for this error?
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It sounds like a conclusion was that there was an error in reading the team's attitude towards the player. Do you think there should be an apology for this error?
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Do you (or anybody else) think if @Aquanim had started a kick vote that it would have succeeded?[/quote]
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Do you (or anybody else) think if @Aquanim had started a kick vote that it would have succeeded?[/quote]
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Personally, I think of moderator work as being an entirely bureaucratic process. My entire job as an admin is to enforce the CoC and policies. How can I hide behind them? I did my best to explain both the overall conclusion of both the moderator team in response to the incident as well as my own personal beliefs where they may differ from the moderator team's as a whole.
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Personally, I think of moderator work as being an entirely bureaucratic process. My entire job as an admin is to enforce the CoC and policies. How can I hide behind them? I did my best to explain both the overall conclusion of both the moderator team in response to the incident as well as my own personal beliefs where they may differ from the moderator team's as a whole.
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I would assume that the intention of the modkick was to show that the play involved in the game was considered negligent of the goal of trying to win the game, but I would leave that question to @Aquanim to answer. I would leave the second question to @MrTumnus.
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I would assume that the intention of the modkick was to show that the play involved in the game was considered negligent of the goal of trying to win the game, but I would leave that question to @Aquanim to answer. I would leave the second question to @MrTumnus.
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I don't have a position as to whether an apology should be given over potentially misreading the team's level of annoyance with @MrTumnus. That is a @GoogleFrog issue. That being the case I am not sure that it matters whether Aquanim misread the team's annoyance level or not because @MrTumnus was playing in a way that justified the kick, anyway.
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I don't have a position as to whether an apology should be given over potentially misreading the team's level of annoyance with @MrTumnus. That is a @GoogleFrog issue. That being the case I am not sure that it matters whether Aquanim misread the team's annoyance level or not because @MrTumnus was playing in a way that justified the kick, anyway.
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In hindsight, I would give such a poll a 50%ish chance of passing. Before Aquanim did the kick, I would have expected a higher chance of it passing.
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In hindsight, I would give such a poll a 50%ish chance of passing. Before Aquanim did the kick, I would have expected a higher chance of it passing.
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As an aside, I am not sure about you but personally I've only ever been in one community that didn't have its administration discussion behind closed doors, so I'm confused why this is brought up as though it's something sinister or strange?
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As an aside, I am not sure about you but personally I've only ever been in one community that didn't have its administration discussion behind closed doors, so I'm confused why this is brought up as though it's something sinister or strange?
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[quote]> enforce the standards laid out FOR the community
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This right here is the problem imho. It should not be the role of mods to actively try to police things so everyone behaves in some standard way. Mods exist to introduce new players and help build the community. Patch the game and keep servers alive.
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For handling abuse we have other tools (like vote kick). Or we can build such tools. The community can handle it itself.
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Maybe mods can have super powers to unstuck a server or something like that. Maybe they can also resolve cases where two players disagree with each other and neither is clearly in the wrong. Or plain over-the-line racial swearing in the chat, stuff like that. Anything past that is not the job of mods but of the community itself.
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I think it all went wrong when we thought that we needed some mod police to enforce the CoC and vote kick was not enough.
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ZeroK is the most over-moderated game I've ever played.[/quote]
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I am just going to allow @GoogleFrog to address why this is not a position.
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My opinion of this game has changed