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FFA games and rating

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7/17/2022 10:06:50 PMAUrankAdminAquanim before revert after revert
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7/17/2022 10:04:25 PMAUrankAdminAquanim before revert after revert
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1 All free-for-all games played before yesterday which were tagged for Casual rating have been untagged for that rating and moved into their own category. Since there was also a server restart (with an update to expose mapoptions as well as modoptions to lobby if I understand correctly, thanks @Licho) this change has been applied to everybody's "current" casual rating, although your "ladder" rating may take a while to catch up. 1 All free-for-all games played before yesterday which were tagged for Casual rating have been untagged for that rating and moved into their own category. Since there was also a server restart (with an update to expose mapoptions as well as modoptions to lobby if I understand correctly, thanks @Licho) this change has been applied to everybody's "current" casual rating, although your "ladder" rating may take a while to catch up.
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5 [b]Why was this done?[/b] 5 [b]Why was this done?[/b]
6 There have been concerns that some people were using FFA games to (a) dump their own rating to get easier team games, and (b) throwing their rating to friends. 6 There have been concerns that some people were using FFA games to (a) dump their own rating to get easier team games, and (b) throwing their rating to friends.
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8 It's difficult to tell from comparing previous and new ratings whether this manipulation was particularly successful. 8 It's difficult to tell from comparing previous and new ratings whether this manipulation was particularly successful.
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10 [i]Even if it was not successful[/i], the potential for people to attempt it (even the idea that other people might [i]try[/i] to attempt it) did not seem to be healthy for the FFA community. 10 [i]Even if it was not successful[/i], the potential for people to attempt it (even the idea that other people might [i]try[/i] to attempt it) did not seem to be healthy for the FFA community.
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12 Previous analysis suggests that this change has probably, [i]on average[/i], decreased the accuracy of Casual ratings a bit. At this stage that seems like a reasonable price to pay for fixing this FFA community issue.
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14 [b]How can I look at the new category of FFA games and get a rating etc?[/b] 16 [b]How can I look at the new category of FFA games and get a rating etc?[/b]
15 At the moment, you can't (although Dave's third party system should still work). I don't think it would be a bad idea to have some kind of way to track FFA performance, but it doesn't exist right now. A full WHR ladder sounds like overkill (and I'm not sure what impact it would have on server performance). Maybe calculating stats once a month is a reasonable idea. If the API that's been talked about recently comes to fruition then it should be pretty trivial to look at this category of games. 17 At the moment, you can't (although Dave's third party system should still work). I don't think it would be a bad idea to have some kind of way to track FFA performance, but it doesn't exist right now. A full WHR ladder sounds like overkill (and I'm not sure what impact it would have on server performance). Maybe calculating stats once a month is a reasonable idea. If the API that's been talked about recently comes to fruition then it should be pretty trivial to look at this category of games.
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19 [b]Why do a lot of players now have hundreds more casual rating?[/b] 21 [b]Why do a lot of players now have hundreds more casual rating?[/b]
20 I'm not really sure. WHR is a complicated system. Maybe DeinFreund could guess. 22 I'm not really sure. WHR is a complicated system. Maybe DeinFreund could guess.
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24 [b]What will happen to new FFA games?[/b] 26 [b]What will happen to new FFA games?[/b]
25 [i]At the moment[/i] new FFA games may go towards casual rating. You can expect such games to be put in the same bucket as the existing FFA games at some point in the future, though. 27 [i]At the moment[/i] new FFA games may go towards casual rating. You can expect such games to be put in the same bucket as the existing FFA games at some point in the future, though.
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29 [b]What will happen to no-elo games on the FFA autohost?[/b] 31 [b]What will happen to no-elo games on the FFA autohost?[/b]
30 I believe we have the capability to move these into the new category also. At this stage I don't have a strong opinion on whether we should do that. 32 I believe we have the capability to move these into the new category also. At this stage I don't have a strong opinion on whether we should do that.