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Opinions on whether players can be kicked out if they don't do anything at the beginning of the game

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10/8/2023 3:00:51 AMunknownrankShaman before revert after revert
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1 For the record: 1 For the record:
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3 Resources aren't "wasted", they're delayed in this kind of circumstance. AFKers will only fill up to storage at which point their share gets split amongst non-excessing players. 3 Resources aren't "wasted", they're delayed in this kind of circumstance. AFKers will only fill up to storage at which point their share gets split amongst non-excessing players.
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7 That said, I don't think you're being malicious with this sort of kick. I think it's more misjudged than anything. Clearly you care about the game, and while it's fine to be concerned about balance, I don't think this sort of action has good long term affects. You should view using kick, however, as if you are a moderator yourself and employ judgement that is [b]community orientated[/b] in public games. 7 That said, I don't think you're being malicious with this sort of kick. I think it's more misjudged than anything. Clearly you care about the game, and while it's fine to be concerned about balance, I don't think this sort of action has good long term affects. You should view using kick, however, as if you are a moderator yourself and employ judgement that is [b]community management orientated[/b] in public games.
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9 This means when you choose to kick someone, follow this sort of thought process: 9 This means when you choose to kick someone, follow this sort of thought process:
10 1. Do you think their actions are detrimental to the enjoyment of the majority of the other players? IE: are they being disruptive? Are other players complaining about them? 10 1. Do you think their actions are detrimental to the enjoyment of the majority of the other players? IE: are they being disruptive? Are other players complaining about them?
11 2. Are they being malicious? (Do you think they're being harmful on purpose?) 11 2. Are they being malicious? (Do you think they're being harmful on purpose?)
12 3. Have you attempted to resolve the problem with the player if they're not being malicious? 12 3. Have you attempted to resolve the problem with the player if they're not being malicious?
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14 Let's use this checklist in this situation: 14 Let's use this checklist in this situation:
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16 @Surfmaniac was not doing anything to really harm anyone else. Yes, it can skew balance [b]very slightly[/b], but these sorts of things are what WHR is there for. Your job as a moderator isn't to fix game balances; it's to fix social issues and keep the peace. Other players were not complaining about them either.. so you've failed the first check. 16 @Surfmaniac was not doing anything to really harm anyone else. Yes, it can skew balance [b]very slightly[/b], but these sorts of things are what WHR is there for. Your job as a moderator isn't to fix game balances; it's to fix social issues and keep the peace. Other players were not complaining about them either.. so you've failed the first check.
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18 Does @Surfmaniac have a history of playing poorly on purpose? AFAIK, they still have the benefit of the doubt and as such I'm way more likely to write this off as fatigue, toilet break, reorientation, luaui reload, or stretching (This game took place at their 02:00 which was your 08:00, you're more likely to be fresh while they're more likely to be winding down or on their final hours of the day.. keep that in mind). Remember: you should not expect people to play at your level or at 100%, 100% of the time. Be fair with your expectations. 18 Does @Surfmaniac have a history of playing poorly on purpose? AFAIK, they still have the benefit of the doubt and as such I'm way more likely to write this off as fatigue, toilet break, reorientation, luaui reload, or stretching (This game took place at their 02:00 which was your 08:00, you're more likely to be fresh while they're more likely to be winding down or on their final hours of the day.. keep that in mind). Remember: you should not expect people to play at your level or at 100%, 100% of the time. Be fair with your expectations.
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20 Did you try to talk to them about their actions? It seems you did not and this was what @Aquanim was trying to communicate to you about more or less. 20 Did you try to talk to them about their actions? It seems you did not and this was what @Aquanim was trying to communicate to you about more or less.
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22 People in the community have a bad habit of using kick without explaining why they're kicking the other person. Granted there are some things you have free fire on (like teamkilling or team commnapping.. obvious griefing). Let's think about this in a behavioral modification way: If you were to ban someone for no reason given, how would you expect someone to know what they've done in order to avoid being banned again? 22 People in the community have a bad habit of using kick without explaining why they're kicking the other person. Granted there are some things you have free fire on (like teamkilling or team commnapping.. obvious griefing). Let's think about this in a behavioral modification way: If you were to ban someone for no reason given, how would you expect someone to know what they've done in order to avoid being banned again?
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26 I do think you should reach out and apologize to @Surfmaniac for the kick, at the very least. We should do what we can to maintain functional social relationships in the community as we're more or less stuck with each other. 26 I do think you should reach out and apologize to @Surfmaniac for the kick, at the very least. We should do what we can to maintain functional social relationships in the community as we're more or less stuck with each other.