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Magpie is not countered by Ettin or at least any less than 4 Ettin

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1 Interesting, although I think there are some practical limitations to this result: 1 Interesting, although I think there are some practical limitations to this result:
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3 (a) No Magpie spammer is going to stop at 2k in Magpie, and the matchup is only going to get better for Ettin. 3 (a) No Magpie spammer is going to stop at 2k in Magpie, and the matchup is only going to get better for Ettin.
4 (b) In my experience it is not common for Magpies to get the opportunity to make a direct run at Ettin with nothing else going on. The more likely scenario is that Magpie comes in to engage something else, and takes some attrition from Ettin and other AA and flex-AA in the vicinity. 4 (b) In my experience it is not common for Magpies to get the opportunity to make a direct run at Ettin with nothing else going on. The more likely scenario is that Magpie comes in to engage something else, and takes some attrition from Ettin and other AA and flex-AA in the vicinity.
5 (c) In the long run Ettin takes advantage of shields and cloakers. 5 (c) In the long run Ettin takes advantage of shields and cloakers.
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7 Also: 7 Also:
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9 [quote]Ettins was attack moved to the front as players tend to use them 9 [quote]Ettins was attack moved to the front as players tend to use them
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11 Magpies are allowed to repair to full after each run as is normal practice for air player 11 Magpies are allowed to repair to full after each run as is normal practice for air player
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13 Ettins were not repair to full but the result should not have change much even if they were[/quote] 13 Ettins were not repair to full but the result should not have change much even if they were[/quote]
14 These are some pretty favourable assumptions for Magpie. Certainly if I had reason to believe that the Ettins were the actual target of a Magpie attack they would be retreating until the Magpies began to fire, and certainly not advancing. The difference between Magpie getting to close the distance at ( 252+96) =348 and ( 252-96) =156 relative movespeed is pretty significant. And if I don't have repair capability on hand, what am I even doing playing Tank factory? 14 These are some pretty favourable assumptions for Magpie. Certainly if I had reason to believe that the Ettins were the actual target of a Magpie attack they would be retreating until the Magpies began to fire, not advancing. The difference between Magpie getting to close the distance at ( 252+96) =348 and ( 252-96) =156 relative movespeed is pretty significant. And if I don't have repair capability on hand, what am I even doing playing Tank factory?
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16 It is also important to remember that air players do not take and hold mex in the same way that land players do, and (especially if they are highly rated in a smaller game) are obliged to have a *big* impact on the game in order to justify their choice of an air factory. 16 It is also important to remember that air players do not take and hold mex in the same way that land players do, and (especially if they are highly rated in a smaller game) are obliged to have a *big* impact on the game in order to justify their choice of an air factory.