Chesti trolled this game... real nice

first he spammed zeus and shot a friendly lotus for at least 10 minutes and then he literally suicided his units and resigned at the end. Thats not trolling thats griefing

some hours ago I by myself advance and not?! ( sorry help me ) I figured out to use some other fun accounts. :-)

Keep that good police up. It helps everyone and everykin d

I CANNOT WATCH IT!
Please make a review that

Shaman the demo speaks for itself, watch what happened at my start in the East.
Spolier -- Chesti builds many Knights and force fires them everywhere around the base.

Shaman was fair to point of that it's not enough to just say someone is trolling, and instead provide some explanation. I also figure that not everyone will have the time to watch the demo.

So here is a 60 second clip showing exactly what happened:
https://streamable.com/tfhh1j

Chesti took offence to the party mode LLT, so started force firing the ground with knights.
He then asked for it to be turned off, which I obliged.
He then continues to build more knights and force fire them around our start.
He then asked for the LLT party mode to be turned back on!?
Keeps building more knights and keeps force firing them.
All the time the front is dying...

It looks like Chesti was given a 24h ban for this, which is fair.
However, I only found out about this action because Chesti posted complaining about it.

I think it would help the community if admins were to comment on the games when bans have been given relating to behaviour in a specific game.

Visibility of the ban and reason can only be helpful.

it was a real teamkill

Meanwhile it was not any firework

Sorry about that firework

quote: I have a serious questions. What even constitutes trolling? Does playing seriously non optimal strategies when you know better count? What if you play "well" despite being sandbagged by such a strategy? What about all or nothing strategies that rarely work, but usually fail? Or is trolling just reserved for things which have no chance of working? Or are things which have no chance of working considering griefing? Can the team kick people for any of things? Can the team only kick if said person "knows better"?

This is essentially what I mean by the definition being muddied and part of the problem I'm presenting! The problem with muddy definitions is that we can't as a community say "yes, this is allowed" or "no it isn't". Having a consensus on what it means to "troll" and if it is acceptable or not is necessary for us to communicate effectively. These are all excellent questions and I've been trying to come up with answers to them lately. However, this isn't just a "me" or "you" discussion.

When we are choosing a definition for trolling, we need to pay special attention to the term "trollcom."

PS: /quote not \quote.

It would be better to drop the "user knows" part of that definition and attempt to achieve more objectiveness. The issue here is that we must balance "fun" and equality. Rank or knowledge should not impact decisions so much as actual harm less we be seen as arbitrary. A good example of this: player A and B spam darts for whatever reason. Player B is a 1400 elo player and player A is a 2300 elo player. Is player A trolling? If player A gets banned for this, then there's inequality perceived if player B is not modactioned as well.

At the end of the day, we should avoid modaction for "playing bad". The closer your definition is to it, the more muddy and unclear the line is. This is further complicated by the environment team games are played in. Are we aiming for casual or competitive games in that big team game?

quote: - The user KNOWS what they are doing is counter-productive. - Their actions cause HARM.

I would probably consider the first one of these to be griefing, and would definitely consider the second to be griefing. I have always thought that griefing was different than trolling, but maybe trolling is a superset of griefing, or maybe they have a non empty intersection. I don't really know.