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Firepluk
9 years ago
http://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/312776
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9 years ago
Your original appeal was noticed and is being looked into.
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9 years ago
let me guess. Teamkill, rudeness towards other players or permanent stapping on newbies?
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Firepluk
Thanks GBrankTheSponge

NO @Smaggy I DO NEVER teamkill anymore, lesson learned.

I sometimes can be rude, but I work on myself and if I say something I use neutral words, I try to avoid any extremes here.

In this particular case I said just "nub" a few times.

Yes I did reclaim PLrankFailer stuff as he was trying to make a SINGU in the middle of our air bases(4k+ cost of units around there) while enemy DEFINITELY had had air superiority - for me it was an implicit but intentional attempt to team kill - I was protecting myself and my team.

From the other side PLrankFailer spammed malicious kickvotes against me and teamkilled me with stardust

And yes we lost this game, because I had to fight with Failer and not only enemy :(

I did something to win this game, at least I tried - PLrankFailer did nothing except trolling his own team, votekick spam, and TK.

And now @KIngRaptor bans me...
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9 years ago
Post edit history is hard to follow!
Please follow commit-message etiquette!
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Firepluk
9 years ago
lol DErank[2up]knorke, it's because I think faster than I write and mostly edit my posts to fix some grammatical errors :\
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9 years ago
On review sfireman's penalty was judged to be fair and Failer has been banned for 3 days.
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In that specific battle:

1) you reclaimed Failer's factory while he was seemingly having trouble getting into the game. You didn't use your own plop for 4-5 minutes. Next time use and reclaim your OWN plop, not your ally's.

2) you buried Failer's com into the ground and made nanos near it. Nano placement could have been just a coincidence as you did use your own plop next to those nanos. However, you also felt the need to add the label "Failer u re my slave, even ur com belongs to me" above Failer's buried and nanoturret "protected" commander.

This battle was only the tip of the iceberg though. The battle before this one (B312772) you made comments like this:
die air nub die!
label: wtf idoiots
label: attack nubs
label: u usless knob

Pointing fingers and calling people "idiots" will get you muted or in some cases banned. It's toxic behaviour. Using terms like "nub" in an insulting way can also get you muted or banned for a short duration. Admins don't want to do this, but you don't leave us much choice.

Things add up. The battle you linked wasn't the sole reason for the 3 day ban.
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Firepluk
9 years ago
Well at least the other one got banned too, not so bad :)
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Firepluk
1. I can do whatever I find suitable to win the game with afk/lag stuff especially in HUGE games. We aren't going 2 wait for each dropped guy in 10x10 games.
This is what afk widget was introduced for.
So did I.

2. Nano placement was a coincidence and I sure it did not block restore terraform, if it did I would remove it on the 1st request. He did not ask - just started a singu.

About my "insults". I always thought and still think that some degree of verbal abuse should be tolerable. This is online gaming, the same as with sports in real life - people tend to express their own emotions and it's fine IMO when it does NOT go to extreme levels(like insulting parents, saying about mental illness or something like this).
But this is just my opinion anyways.
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9 years ago
quote:
On review sfireman's penalty was judged to be fair and Failer has been banned for 3 days.


Wat?

I got banned for 3 days becasue I had TRIED to make a singu, and firenub got banned for 3 days becasue he had reclaimed my fac, dug my com into the water and reclaimed my singus?

Making singu is bannable offence? WAT?!
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Firepluk
No PLrankFailer,

spamming pointless votekicks, making singu in the middle of ally base while enemy has a clear AIR superiority and TK is bannable offence.

you could simple restore ur com, or if it was not possible ask me to remove caretaker.

Your fac got eaten because u were not ingame I found it a better use case than idling.

Get rekt, PLrankFailer.
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9 years ago
now Failer explain to Firepluk what he did wrong.
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9 years ago
quote:
I got banned for 3 days becasue I had TRIED to make a singu, and firenub got banned for 3 days becasue he had reclaimed my fac, dug my com into the water and reclaimed my singus?

You were banned for building a singu right in front or a pack of rapiers and in the middle of sfireman's units, teamkilling and self destructing your units before resigning.
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Where there any Rapiers there? I didnt even notice them. Anyway, Rapiers can move away and my com couldn't (see - the hole and 4 nanos near that could keep the com inside), and people aren't normaly banned for building singus in the base, as that's the most protected spot. And the singu wasn't siloable, it was out of possible range, I checked it.

About TK, I think u know exactly why I killed his 4 nanos.

With self-d, well, Firepluk wasn't banned when he had selfded his 6 avengers 2 or 3 days ago was he? Still it was just an (useless) stardust, I don't know why I did that, it wasn't good idea.

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spamming pointless votekicks
Ye, pointless...



BTW, this exactly case shows that normal player is defenceless against the troll. If he gets provoked by the troll, and does anything that is even close to the ''rules'' edge, he'll get banned for the same, or even longer period that the troll.

It reminds me a case in poland which happened yesterday. Guy riding on bicycle sent a vid to the police in which car driver had been overtaking him in a very dangerous situation (crossroad, peds' crossing, double line that disallows overtaking). Resoult? Cyclist got fined becasue he hadn't been close enough to the right edge of the road.
RIP ZK. GG WP.
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9 years ago
watched replay, tbh you both came out looking like players I'd not choose to play with
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Firepluk
ALL HAIL TO THE FAIR BAN!
To please THE BAN GOD! Be banned!
+1 / -1
9 years ago
Hi Firepluk,
I watched a bunch of games. Trying to learn stuff. Looking for a friendly guild of TA/ZK enthusiasts/friends to have fun with. I know as only a noob/knob/wub/wubber/ new member I don't have anything to say at all ;-) (yes I learned some new words watching your games) So I probably shouldn't...

But it was some surprise to see this thread. I actually thought at one moment that you had some sort of immunity from misbehaving. Maybe being a zk God. Maybe being a zk developer God... Then you cursed them too. So I knew that wasn't the case either.

I've seen you play a lot amazing air and seen you airdrop a lot of scallops. "It's amazing Mike!!" like you handle them with ease and position them just right. Multitasking. Useless lotessus in range ;-). Respect!

But I am actually reluctant to join a game when I watch your "coachin" "guiding" and "teaching" useless nobs and "noobstacked" teams.

After those I was actually amazed to encounter a real friendly "pluk". So Pluk's that do engage in normal conversation with newbees do exist.

I respect your gameplay and skills. I'd respect people even more if they didn't step on their teammates even if they are making mistakes or having their own idea. I guess that's what this game is about: teamFUN and trying not to make too many mistakes supporting the team ;-) Combinations of teammates stuff and combined attacks are win.

on the religious topic
I don't know the ban god at all. But I wonder how it would be without him. Not all new steam members would stay around long I guess after being scared away and being stepped on.

sportive regards,
Leon
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quote:
I don't know the ban god at all. But I wonder how it would be without him.

Having baptized a smurf once, I do know the Ban God. He's crucial to out understanding of the world: without Him, you can't explain Fireman's lack of recent teamkilling, anteep's disappearance, and my unwillingness carry out further terror campaigns.

It's not really answerable how ZK would be without moderation because then ZK would simply not be.
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firepluk gets banned a lot, just it needs people doing the reporting of misbehavings. ultimately, the problem with bans is that people can circumvent them, by just making new accounts.

many people including myself have also tried talking to firepluk and encourage him to be more newbie friendly and less of a troll, with dubious results. the known trolls seem to posses a great capacity for cognitive dissonance, which clearly shows in threads like this where trolls troll each other and suddenly get major asspain from the exact kind of behaviour they so freely bestow upon others.

in the end, what is needed is that people learn how to behave like decent people would, and stop doing things to others that they themselves would not enjoy beeing done to them. beeing constantly banned along the way may or may not be helpful.
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