"Bullshit Skirmishers"

Someone forgot Wolverine.

1.) Buoy is an assault/skirm. Yeah cuz sea doesn't have a proper assault for those damn urchins. So they need ridiculous HP. Seriously, does it need over 1000hp? Do something with urchin and cut its ridiculous hp.

2.) Wolverine en masse is effectively anti-everything-but-air. It's okay because it takes a lot of metal to hit critical mass.

3.) Scalpels are B L E G H. I seriously hate the guy that says spam them cuz now newbies are spamming them everywhere ;_; Why are they still a thing? Please, kill them! Take a nerfhammer and just smash it over it's head.

Okay buoy is a Skirm/Assault/Semi-riot.

Microed Moderators beats Bouys. They Mody have slighter less range, but bouy cannot doge mody's instahit.

I think Scalpel is a bit of an issue but Hover is hardly dominating the meta even with it so I don't see it as a huge problem. Any changes to Scalpel would have to think about Hover as a whole. Happily it doesn't dominate the sea meta since IIRC Scalpel loses handily to Enforcer and obviously is helpless against underwater units.

I've never found Buoy to be a huge problem as a land unit, mostly since it is very very slow itself. Pressure elsewhere until you can bring a Firewalker/Thunderbird/etc to bear and wipe them out. They match up pretty poorly against a Stinger which has a little bit of backup.

That being said Amph as a whole (IMO) has too few units, espcially for a flexterrain fac, and so they all have to be pretty generalist to cope.

Wolverine isn't really viable until midgame on most maps, and when the game goes late it gets countered by Catapult and big enough heavies. It's a strong unit but it's not like all lveh games end in Wolverines everywhere.

I feel like most regular skirmishers are fine and have their uses, so I'd rather blame Scalpel for being too good rather than Rocko/Rogue/whatever being too weak.

Moderator has the vulnerability to being swarmed that a skirmisher should have. Slasher is ranged support and not skirmisher. Skirmishers counter assaults and riots, while slasher does not counter assaults.

Never have you noticed that every time that scalpel OPness is mentioned I strike with this quote?
That is because it is a direct quote from our vile amphibian.
To be frank scalpel indeed is bullshitty but on the other hand wasn't this always the case with skrimishers at large? Think about it: rocko, rogue, hammer, wolverine etc etc.

Raiders should counter skirmishers. If they dont, they need to be slow & cumbersome enough that assaults or other skirmishers counter them instead.

Note that Bouy only partially falls into the second category due to slow+resilience+range, whilst scalpel does not really fit into either and is only strictly countered by specialist units.

buoy is a fairly crappy assault that gets nearly 1-shot by an hlt. low speed and unimpressive metal/HP ratio. only slightly better than scallop's

So if the Buoy didn't have massive assaulty health, would it not be bullshitty? Or is it the comparitively-fast slow-projectiles that make it bullshitty? If it gently tossed its plasma like a Ravager so that raiders could evade, would that be enough?