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ROrankForever
6 months ago
(edited 6 months ago)

Hello there

Wanted you guys to ask some help in picking the right videocard because I am not sure what to chose. Wanted the first time to pick a GIGABYTE GeForce® GTX 1060 G1 Gaming, 6GB GDDR5, 192-bit[Spoiler]but then somone told me that the 192 bit gives less performance for the games. Then I started to think about GIGABYTE ASUS GeForce® GTX 1060 DUAL, 6GB GDDR5, 192-bit but the same bit problem is making me think again. [Spoiler]

Then I was thinking about ASUS GeForce® GTX 970 OC STRIX, 4GB GDDR5, 256-bit[Spoiler]
and yeah it was ok until this came along....Radeon RX 480 Series and are less expensive + even better at some stats.

For example this one SAPPHIRE Radeon™ RX 480 NITRO OC, 8GB GDDR5, 256-bit[Spoiler] is less expensive and has 256 bit+ 8 Gb DDR 5

I really not sure exactly what to pick now.
My sistem specs will be :

MOTHERBOARD
ASUS Z170 PRO GAMING, Socket LGA 1151 socket[Spoiler]

RAM
Dual Channel Corsair 16GB (2X8), DDR4, CL15, 3000MHz, Radiator Vengeance LPX Blue, 1.35V (I willl upgrade to 64 GB after 1 year)
[Spoiler]

PC CASE
Game Daemon 6004, Mid Tower [Spoiler] with 5 strong vents and ATX Micro ATX formats. Hight cooler CPU 165 mm (Max) Length video GPU 285 mm (Max) + other things( don't want to mention all of them).

PROCESSOR
Procesor Intel® Core™ i5-6600K, 3.5GHz, Skylake, 6MB, Socket 1151, Box
[Spoiler]

POWER SOURCE
Thermaltake Smart SE SPS-0630M, PSU, 630W, 80 PLUS® Gold[Spoiler]


Can anyone help me please ? Would like to spend between 300-450 euros on the videocard and to pick the best/cheap/efficient on the market


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ILrankAdminhokomoko
6 months ago
What games are you planning to play with your new card (other than ZK)?

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ROrankForever
6 months ago
At least Star Citizen :)


[Spoiler]
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CHrankAdminDeinFreund
6 months ago
Do you want to use your video card for rendering, CUDA or some other non-gaming things? There Nvidia is usually better supported.

What are the specs of your screen, G-Sync/Freesync, resolution? I have a friend running Star Citizen on a 970 on 1440p 2.35:1. It works, but a faster card would definitely help there.

The 970/1060/480 are pretty much equal, so unless you have any special needs I'd go for the cheapest one, which is probably a 4GB 480. The extra VRam only really makes sense if you're planning on using the card for rendering.

Unless you're still running 1080p, these cards are a bit on the low end for games like Star Citizen. But until AMD releases some higher end cards, the 1070 and 1080 are out of reach, so I wouldn't recommend anything higher than the RX 480 for you. If you still want more performance, try looking for a used 980/980 Ti.
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PLrankOrfelius
6 months ago
Mind you that RX480 might not jam well with Spring and ZK though.
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ROrankSigero
6 months ago
I would explain in romanian but out of courtesy :p..
Betewn the rx 480 and gtx 1060,they are not really that far apart in performance and the 8 gb of ram would be usefull down the road(maybe) the gtx is better than the rx 480 in nearly every game dx 12 or dx 11.
So if i find a cheaper gtx 1060 i would go with that,but if the rx is cheaper go with that eitherway u wont be dissapointed.

...i am alos building a new pc with the 6600k.
But for the MB i cave in and bought a gigabyte gaming 7.
PSU i got the RM 650x.
case idk yet ...maybe corsair carbide something in range if 300-400 lei with antinoise (gen material antifonic)
im gravitating towrds the hyper max evo 200... something for the CPU cooler.

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CHrankAdminDeinFreund
6 months ago
AMD is definitely harder to set up with Spring, but once you got it hacked together, it'll do the job just fine. Their cards are also less power efficient, so if you can find a 970/1060 for the same price as the 480, listen to ROrankSigero and go for it.
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JPrankgajop
6 months ago
Always go for Nvidia if you play Spring games or computing.
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ROrankForever
6 months ago
(edited 6 months ago)

"What are the specs of your screen, G-Sync/Freesync, resolution? I have a friend running Star Citizen on a 970 on 1440p 2.35:1. It works, but a faster card would definitely help there"

About what CHrankAdminDeinFreund said here. I have a big screen ( It's a Led tv screen connected to the computer)
Samsung UN60J6200 - 60-Inch Full HD 1080p 120hz Smart LED HDTV
[Spoiler]
Would like to use the pc for gaming of course with full graphics on

From what I remember the RX 480 series video cards (some of them) have cooling problems and they overheatand I will counter that with the vents that I will buy.

Also if I remember correctly the extra ram from the GPU will be used to free up the normal ram (when running games and stuff) in your computer and thus better performance in some aspects/areas ?
Want to understand exactly what will the extra ddr5 ram from video card help even if I have lots of normal ram.

Wanted also to talk about the 192 bit and 256 bit video cards thing. Some of my coworkers told me that a 256 videocard will always be better even if it has less ddr5 dedicated video ram. For example a 256bit ddr5 4 Gb videocard will always beat up a 8 GB 192 bit video card ( is it true ?)

I am quite new in this line of work and I really want a decent pc to run things. After 1 year I will even fuse the card that I will buy now with other card in the future ( that I intend to buy when the current gets older). Don't remember what it's called when you use 2 video cards at the same time using a bridge.
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RUrankFirepluk
6 months ago
I'd also say you could buy a cheaper lower freq. RAM without loosing much and instead invest this extra money in slightly better GPU/CPU
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ESrankElTorero
6 months ago
I hear spring works best with intel GPUs
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ROrankSigero
6 months ago
Having 2 gpu run in tandem is not so great...it causes more problems then its actually worth.your better off buying a new and more powerfull GPU.Also u can only run two of the same GPUs in tandem (nvidia is SLI and AMD is cossfire)
Also the gtx 1060 is not compatible with SLI.
The manufacturer matters too,for the rx 480 take a look over google for the red devil 480 and MSI see which one is better.
For the gtx 1060 im not so sure which would be the better buy.
Like i said before the 1060 is slightly more powerfull than the rx480,the 480 will likely age better than the 1060 because of driver updates and extra Vram (AMD tends to do driver support for theyr cards for far longer periods of time than NVIDIA)
IMHO buy the one thats cheaper and when u want to upgrade sell your current card and use the money to get a more powerfull one,SLI or crossfire aint worth the trouble.
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ROrankSigero
6 months ago
Another thing to consider is what Screen your using nvidia is compatible with G-Sync monitors which are quite expensive.
AMD is compatible with the cheaper Freesync screens.
Freesync and G sync are optional technologies that provide kinda the same thing as V sync dose,but at a much better efficiency.u would know that V sync solves screen tearing,but it can cause a big drop in performance depending on your rig, Freesyng and G sync eliminates that problem.
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CHrankAdminDeinFreund
6 months ago
(edited 6 months ago)

You really don't want to use a TV as a computer monitor. I've found these response time charts for your screen:
1080p @ 60Hz : 44.5 ms
1080p With Interpolation : 58.3 ms
1080p @ 60Hz Outside Game Mode : 65.6 ms
1080p @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 : 44.5 ms
(Anything above 10ms ruins gaming and 50ms+ even gets annoying for normal use)

Also it doesn't actually support 120 hz. (TVs are full of marketing crap)

If you're already using it, don't mind the input delay, and want to stay with it. Then the 1060/480/970 will all be more than powerful enough for current games and the ones of the near future.


Otherwise, if you want to switch to a better screen and need more performance. You can combine GPUs using:
  • Crossfire: AMD only, can combine different AMD GPUs
  • SLI: Nvidia only, only same GPU model can be combined, 1060 not supported
  • DX12 Explicit Multiadapter: Supports different GPUs of different manufacturers, even Intel

Each of those require direct support by the games you play, so check beforehand what games you're looking to play and what they support. All of these are generally hard to set-up and I definitely do not recommend relying on it for performance, get a single card if you can.


For gaming, the memory bandwidth (192 bit, 256 bit, ...) doesn't make any difference to performance and neither does the card's vram. Get a 4GB card and buy some extra system ram/SSD with the money.

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RUrankFirepluk
I'd also say you could buy a cheaper lower freq. RAM without losing much and instead invest this extra money in slightly better GPU/CPU

That as well, just like for the vram, the ram's bandwidth is not gonna improve performance.
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ROrankSigero
6 months ago
Dein , GPU Vram is very much important,6 gb is the vram u want right now,every year the vram requirements grow so the more u have the better your card will deal with upcoming games.
GTA 5 uses 6 gb of vram and i think Ashes of singularity too.
But its true that most games use up to 4 right now,but this will change, the more you have the better your card will age,i would not buy a 4gb GPU.
Vram and RAM are diffrent:
-Vram is used for frame buffering so it directly affects texture fill rate the faster and more Vram u have the better you will run ultra high graphics settings.

IMHO:
Best budget card rx 470
Best buy would be either GTX 1060 6gb or RX 480 8gb (depends which is cheaper and by how much) 1060 is roughly 5-10% better at every game.

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RUrankFirepluk
6 months ago
(edited 6 months ago)

>> the more u have the better your card will deal with upcoming games
fuck it, in the PC market u just buy a new card when u need it

the whole purpose of this big clunky heavy case with various peripherals
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ROrankForever
6 months ago
(edited 6 months ago)

Going to buy the first pieces for my new computer in a few hours . Just need some confirmation from a friend of mine :).

Thx all for the suggestions they helped me a lot!

I hope I won't have bugs with my new graphics card in zero-k
Forgot to mention that I picked the GABYTE Radeon™ RX 480 G1 Gaming, 8GB GDDR5, 256-bit
Here are the specs:

GABYTE Radeon™ RX 480 G1 Gaming, 8GB GDDR5, 256-bit
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