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there was significant unprovoked bullying going on , mainly from Shaman, constant votekick towards me. I believie heckling that was going on was against the rules of zk community guidelines. I would want admins to do 2 day ban on Shaman for votekick heckling towards me, despite my side of map held the longest against the oposing team. including my support in that game for south. for which in unprovoked totally childish way _Shaman rallyed votekick campaing against me, successfuly kicking me from playing another battle, without specifing anying of substance i could refer to other just false accusations of trolling...

such behavior of _Shaman is not something new towards me, so i would understand if admins would take this into consideration and suspend him from admin duties.

http://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/764596

[15:30] rooks[vegan]: hi. _Shaman, you got reported for heckling you organised against me last game, and last after game in lobby that resulted in false accusations of supposed trolling.
[15:30] _Shaman: do you even know what heckling is?
[15:31] Conklin: it sure as shit wasnt that
[15:31] _Shaman: you DID delay the game past the point of winnability
[15:31] _Shaman: your team complained about you too
[15:31] rooks[vegan]: well. bully will never admit to heckling so ill let admins judge on that
[15:31] _Shaman: welcome to this concept called "social consequences"
[15:31] [UoY]Acidd_UK: i asked what he had doine to troll and never got a reply
[15:32] rooks[vegan]: organising votkick campaign vs me in unporovoked way counts as hekling
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https://zero-k.info/Users/ReportToAdmin/256534
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2 months ago
i just want to point out that USrank_Shaman isn't an admin/moderator.

Sry, i dont have time to go into the other things right now
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2 months ago
rooks everyone just wants you to cooperate with your team.
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this is another flame war seed..

if your exposing someone as a bully its also an act of public shaming and asking to ban is revenge.
he needs his fun and so do you so we should try to work this out as friends.

the act of heckling is indeed against community rules but the matter could have been resolved privately
the very act of presenting it in this way is passive aggressive

i advise an admin is contacted directly (as Steel_Blue mentioned) to serve as an intermediator to the issues. open forum wars always quickly devolve into single sided slander typhoons and the goal never seems to be 'sorry'.

your all very naughty! =P heh heh
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i just don´t get why you play multiplayer.
i quit that almost entirely.
Instead you choose to take part in team-games just not to take part in them. I don´t get it.
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just an example could have happend and possibly did 10000000000x times "memory protocol" in general not referring to this one shaman case

AnonymousNoob spamming storages/trollshit/whatever.
AnonymousPluk tagging "total lobster, this is bullshit, build units ffs"
AnonymousNoob : "why? blabla? [..] ok i stop thanks for the hint"
Congratz AnonymousNoob is now building units, listens to the team, is part of the team and will increase skill soon.

AnonymousVegan spamming storages/trollshit/whatever.
AnonymousPluk tagging "total lobster, this is bullshit, build units ffs"
AnonymousVegan : "stop harassing me, leave me alone play on your own"
Congratz AnonymousVegan is now pissed and spamming more storages then ever.
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This feigned victimhood crap is getting old.

For the public record, the events in question are from Multiplayer B764596 11 on Delta Siege Dry Reloaded vBETA4 in which Rooks purposefully stalled the game for almost 20 minutes past the point of turn around. The "Heckling" accusation is from Multiplayer B764606 12 on StormSiege_v3 in which I was a PLAYER of whereas rooks was a spectator/not participating (which is not heckling and in fact, your behavior during said game qualifies as heckling itself as you were disrupting the game as a spectator.). During this game, Rooks attempted to start an argument distracting several players in game.

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mainly from Shaman, constant votekick towards me


You were kicked. Once. As a result of your delaying the game for 20+ minutes. You were attempted to be kicked a few times (not just by me but also a few other players), however you were on the enemy team when I called the vote (which means it isn't registered) and this was when you were dragging the game on well past a point of winnability.

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I believie heckling that was going on was against the rules of zk community guidelines


Heckling is against CoC... As a spectator. In the game in question, you were not playing and I was playing. You caused enough disruption that NZrankesainane asked you to take it elsewhere.

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[f=0025612] > <rooks[vegan]>people reacted to pressure of constant shaman yelling im trolling. that was false accusations that yielded to my team trusting his opinion, without giving my self chance to figure out why in firs place you accuse me of that...
[f=0025929] <_Shaman> wasn't just me
[f=0025997] <esainane> rooks take it to pm pls kthx


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mainly from Shaman, constant votekick towards me


You were kickvoted a total of 1 time. Hardly constant.

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without specifing anying of substance i could refer to other just false accusations of trolling


See the battle length of the aforementioned battle. You dragged the game on well beyond any recoverable state. Even after your singus and everything was destroyed, you still insisted on dragging the game on. Enough people were dissatisfied with this behavior and thus you were kicked. It wasn't just me complaining about this behavior either. UArankCorvus_Corax and SKrankTinySpider were both complaining of your behavior. If 3 of the 10 people present are complaining verbally, and enough people agree to warrant the kick, it is perfectly reasonable some of us do not want to play with you. The fact that this has reached a point where you are being kicked should be a clear sign you need to change your behavior.

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[15:32] rooks[vegan]: organising votkick campaign vs me in unporovoked way counts as hekling


In Zero-K's sense, heckling is constant aggressive or provocative commentary from a person not playing the game.


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When spectating, respect the players' right to play without disruption. Do not heckle. Avoid excessive public commentary, and avoid all public commentary if the players want you to stop interrupting. When playing or in a battleroom, do not excessively call votes. Do not flood chat with messages or otherwise attempt to annoy others or disrupt games.




As you can see in the alledged "heckling" game, I was playing. However, you were not. Instead you were being disruptive to the point at least one player ASKED you to take it to PM.

I'll top this off with an exert from the code of conduct, maybe this will explain why you aren't well received:
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When playing in a team game, do your best to coordinate with your teammates and to work for the mutual success of the whole team. Communicate your intentions. Ask for help when needed and offer it to others when they need it. Understand that not everyone on your team will be willing or able to communicate and cooperate to the same degree; have patience with them and do your best even so.

Do not pursue all-or-nothing strategies without the consent of your team. Gambling the game on a risky move without their consent robs your teammates of their agency. You're free to try any strategy as long as you inform your team and they agree to it. The more risky, extreme, or unusual the strategy is, the more important it is to obtain your team's agreement before you start. Play as if you mean to play a full game.


You are constantly uncooperative, and aggressive when requested to participate as part of the team's efforts. You are far often a burden on teams to the point some people flat out refuse to play while you're playing and I don't blame them. Today just happened to be when the pot boiled over. It's been warm for some time.
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<rooks[vegan]> let others decide [when somebody should be removed], not you [admins]
<rooks[vegan]> people can votekick.
<rooks[vegan]> youre intervetion is not required

It appears our intervention is not required.
+7 / -0
just ban dem all!
vegans, pluks, shamans, moeps, haznitz, salamanders, snokes! BAN HAMMER! KILL WITH FIRE!
+4 / -0
2 months ago
Well, that was a painful replay to watch haha. Rhade and Corvus playing 2v3/3½ with two deadweights in their team :x
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2 months ago
close?
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just let this thread go and wait for first hitler comparison?
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2 months ago
I am confused. To be clear, who or what do you believe you should answer to if someone has grievance with you?

ZK Staff via moderator action?

Democratic consensus via votekick?

Nobody?
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2 months ago
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I am confused. To be clear, who or what do you believe you should answer to if someone has grievance with you?

We need to implement trial by combat.
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2 months ago
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I am confused. To be clear, who or what do you believe you should answer to if someone has grievance with you?

Just tk them and get banned like a man :p
+4 / -0
Or kidnap RUrankFirepluk's Commander and put it in a dug hole :D.
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On a serious note, let's live CHrankAdminDeinFreund 'lier :P

zk is a great game and after all this time I spent here I still enjoy it and I love community around this game :)
Thanks guys, just because u and this game exist :P
no matter how buggy it is, we had and will have more fun in it!
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Hey unknownrankrooks[vegan]
Apparently you got a new cpu, you seem to be lagging less. Since you no longer lagging as much, why not learn to play to win? Your current playstyle and your past playstyle has little difference.

I too had a shitty cpu, a little bit better than your old cpu but still lag out by mid-late game. Then again, still managed to get blue rank. Having a shit cpu, I learnt to play rush and aggressively since I know I am not gonna last till late game. Now, I have new cpu, I can play all the way to late game, I did better, my rank went up as well. I am sure you could do the same, all you need is a change of mentality.
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you dont have to play to win. its optional.. some people however sadly do play to disrupt others trying to win.
imho its better to provide your team with some kind of bonus.

maybe grid or scouting or some kind of spec ops like firepluck dgun com

anything that helps others achieve victory goals and not prevents them.

i think its against COC to prevent own teams victory deliberately. i dont think trying new things like 2 factory lobster roaches is trolling but its risky for sure
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