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i have send multiple replays today to review a player named hower he has been verbally harrassing people all day today 11-05-14 after complaining and reporting numerous times admin did nothing but let him crawl away and even have the admin temp mute me in chat...

well that backfired... all i did was report a guy whos been trolling, verbal harrassing and being a general dick ALL DAY to everyone he sees, from trolling ingame, to spam adding chickens in lobby room, ALL DAY

i also really dont like how i have been treated by the admin mojjj who gave me a chat ban without even saying he gave me a chatban....

all because i call the guy hower(who was trolling ALL DAY) a dick(after being trolled all day(i have replay proof of this)


-edit- admin "abuse" might be a bit excessive but still
-edit2- reading the forums i see hower has been a bad boy for a long time, maybe its time he sees some consequences - i also see the admin mojjj did not chatban player hower but only chatbanned me
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10 years ago
I cannot imagine that you got randomly muted just for reporting people. There's likely something more to this, like report spam or inappropriate language on your side. I can't tell, I've not witnessed it, but DErankAdminmojjj is not the kind of guy to randomly ban you for nothing.

Relatedly:
[22:49] mojjj "hey i get website error when subitting report for player fishfinger (report is shown on website), also i swinged the banhammer on the same player (mute etc) and nothing in #zkadmin (ban is shown on website"
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so he swung the banhammer on me?

for what?

also
all because i call the guy hower(who was trolling ALL DAY) a dick(after being trolled all day(i have replay proof of this)


i want somebody to fix this

that guy Hower is probably laughing his ass off now
mojjj just took him in protection seeing the chat again

-edit- more proof of hower acting out on the forums http://zero-k.info/Forum/Thread/7645
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10 years ago
@Hower isn't known to be the most charming guy around, we all know that. Again though, you don't get muted/banned for calling @Hower a dick, there's bound to be something else. You most likely know better than me what happened, I can only guess.
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10 years ago
i do not know more.. see my replays.

i have no idea why i would get the ban other then that mojjj is working with hower...

really i dint do anything else in fact i am very new to this game and community
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Although it would seem that you have a point, I cannot undercut DErankAdminmojjj's decision without further proof such as an actual chat log or replays. Also, when you report a player, please add a link to the replay or show proof of the violations of the CoC. In order for an admin to act they need solid grounds to stand on; the more proof you provide the better. If given valid proof I or another admin will take suitable action against @Hower, until proof is given we will likely not take action.

As to your own actions, as I do not have a significant record of the events that occurred at the time I cannot tell whether or not you deserved punishment. As a general rule, verbal attacks in chat fail horribly, accurate and well made reports (with links to battles in question) will often result in swift action preventing this from happening in the future.


EDIT: Where are these replays of which you speak? I cannot find them in the report.
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FIrankFFC
10 years ago
@Hower, the master of shit!
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you can click on my profile and see my last battles?
http://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/258345

in the first min you already see that people want hower to go away from the room because he has been harrasing them--this was before i joined the the room to play--also this is just one of more games today where it was like this--this is also the game where mojjj decided to chatban me

this does not include the lobby chat?
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Do not expect admins to look through your history for a specific game, give us the link; with that said I'll investigate the link you gave and consult with other admins over the content previously discussed.

This will include chat in-game, but not between games.
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FIrankFFC
10 years ago
Right click and press history to get chat log.
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10 years ago
it was my last battle just now, but it has been happening all day so see other games of me where hower was a player...
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10 years ago
i also gave hower ban for spamming kickvotes as spec for himself, which is just annoying to all, interrupting game etc. but this is really of no interest to your ban.

so, to your case.

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a dick


i have zero tolerance towards insults. mute is appropriate to not let you continue (for now).

you repeatedly insulted the player. as you have a new account, grow some credibility first. i also have not seen any reports on hower today, as there might be a problem with the report-to-admin chat function.
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"all because i call the guy hower(who was trolling ALL DAY) a dick(after being trolled all day(i have replay proof of this)"

also see the other thread about hower kick spamming...
also see
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FIrank[ffc]Killer
18 minutes ago
Hower, the master of shit!
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TheEloIsALie
29 minutes ago
isn't known to be the most charming guy around, we all know that. Again though, you don't get muted/banned for calling Hower a dick, there's bound to be something else. You most likely know better than me what happened, I can only guess."


also reading the forum, namecalling seems to be common
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10 years ago
do you have a problm spotting insults?
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10 years ago
too bad you ignore the others offence on insults and my and others defence with maybe insults
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10 years ago
NLrankTweeki, arguing like that with an admin is a way to get banned, take a look at sfireman if you want a lesson in that. I am currently looking into action against @Hower, but in the meantime it has been decided that you are keeping the mute penalty. Do not argue against this, accept it, learn from it, and we'll worry about other reported infractions. I don't want to sound mean but this decision has been made, arguing won't make your situation better and I really don't want to have to worry about this thread past the replays I'm going over on my own time to validate your claims.
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yea im fine with the penalty still its just 1 word i said agains the many he did...
bit lame to be honest, it is temp right? - see he dint inform me

i wasnt in all of the games hower was in and acting like such, i watch his replays tho
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10 years ago
The mute will last 24 hours since it was issued (it should expire today by my clock). I understand your frustrations, some players come across rude while not meaning to be. Although I don't think this is the case, please note that players in-game will often sound rude without attempting to be for future reference. You can view your page from this website for details on your current mute status.
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10 years ago
I'd like to suggest a list containing violations and what kind of penalty can a player receive for them.
Example:

Insulting a player who doesn't break rules - 24h mute
Insulting a player who does break a rule - 1h mute
Killing friendly buildings/units on purpose - 1 month lobby ban
Abusing autohost commands, spamming - 24h

And so on. Doing a violation twice would end up in a double the penalty received last time.

And why? This would be like a strict criteria on which penalties are issued, and every player would have to agree to it, so
if someone gets punished and makes a topic on forum (not talking about NLrankTweeki !) starting to argue with admins and saying that they are abusing their rights et cetera, an admin would be able to post a link to the list and close the case.

Of course it would also make punishments more equal and easier to understand.

It's natural that an admin might have a bad day and his actions may be more punishing. We are all humans and it's understandable, but it also creates unnecessary and pointless conflicts, and the time and energy spent on them is... wasted.

Take this thread as an example - instead of few walls of text, one admin would respond "We understand your frustration, but for insulting a Player which does Z and Y you receive Xh mute. We will look up Player's case and bring proper punishment" -thread closed-

Imo, there must be a strict equality in punishments, or people will continue on arguing and calling admins badmins.
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and every player would have to agree to it

If you don't agree with what the admins (as a collective) do, you're free to leave. You implicitly agree to admin arbitration if you hang around here. This is what the current system boils down to, and that's how it will stay.

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there must be a strict equality in punishments

Disagreed. I mean, aside from the fact that your own suggested rules violate that (insult punishment depends on what the other player did... Like, seriously? That's what you call equality?), fixing penalties like that makes no sense. Calling somebody a dick once or going all out racist, obscene and abusive with every insult you can think of are very different things and clearly can't be handled the same way.

Yet the latter user could insist on a one hour mute if the insulted person violated some minor "rule" (which could already be caused by a slight misunderstanding/miscommunication). Makes sense? No.

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or people will continue on arguing

You realize you're the one propagating this discussion, right? Despite the fact that we had it multiple times the last few months, with pretty clear statements on how things do and will work.
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